Big12 being shut out of CFB playoff is better for ISU, better for Big 12

[TheSammo]

If a Big12 football team is again denied one of the playoff spots the urgency will build to expand the conference in order to create a championship game. The main reason the Big12 has not expanded - dilution of $ - will be offset by being the risk of being consistently denied the playoffs. Aside from the playoff issue, the Big12 is still a wobbly conference and will stay wobbly and vulnerable to poaching until it can expand into the standard structure of the other P5 conferences. ISU stands to gain from Big12 expansion - the long-term health of the Big12 is by far in the best interest of ISU. Additionally, the teams being most commonly discussed for expansion, along with a new round robin schedule, would give ISU a chance to grow as a competitive program, instead of facing the top 3 most difficult schedule in the nation year after year.
In the best interest of the Big12 and of ISU I am rooting for the Big12 to be denied a CFB playoff spot this year.

 

[everyyard]

Disagree

 

[SerenityNow]

You make some good points, but I would be shocked if the schools would ever be able to all decide on which 2 teams to bring good in.

Unfortunately, I believe we are stuck at 10 teams until grant of rights is up, then back to instability.

 

[Rogue52]

Deregulation of conference championships is here. We could add a championship game without expanding even though I think that is dumb with a round robin schedule.

I'm not opposed to expansion though but it will sure be fun to watch Memphis or Cincinnati become football powers at our expense.

 

[alarson]

The problem for ISU is more the 9 game schedule than the teams involved in expansion. We'll likely stay at 9 with expansion.

Plus i kind of like the double round robin for basketball.

The playoff will work itself out anyways when we finally get to the 8 team playoff that makes the most sense anyway

 

[CyFan61]

Disagree with all of this, but mostly disagree with this:

Aside from the playoff issue, the Big12 is still a wobbly conference and will stay wobbly and vulnerable to poaching until it can expand into the standard structure of the other P5 conferences.

The only way the Big 12 can be more destabilized is by watering it down with Cincinnati-type schools.

 

[clonedude]

I think you are correct. I agree with everything you said.

Would we possibly lose some money by expanding, possibly, but it would be worth it if it made the conference more stable and also gave us divisions again where we could be more successful.

 

[HFCS]

Big 12 is screwed in the playoff because we have one no name on a 13 person committee while other P5 conferences have 2 or 3 including some football legends. The CCG was just some nonsense excuse they made up at the last minute to screw out TCU.

I will absolutely guarantee that Notre Dame will not drop 3 spots in the final ranking if they win their last game by 50 because they don't play a 13th game. Guarantee.

Some things the playoff could actually do to help the Big 12 get deserved playoff representation:
-Go back to BCS ranking or some ranking that includes a computer component. Oklahoma is in or nearly in right now with the old BCS because they're likely 2 or 3 in the computer average 3rd.

-If we're only allowed one member to the Big Ten, Pac 12 and SEC all having 2 or 3 let's make that one member some sort of huge personality legend, not the Tech AD nobody has every heard of.

-How about mix up the committee every year like they do for hoops?

-How about allowing each conference to put two people of their choosing on the committee. We could even have 2 to the other conferences 3 since we're a smaller league, it's still drastically better than the biased slant it has now.

Or we could add two teams and a CCG that will make absolutely zero difference, but I agree give ISU an Iowa-like schedule every once in a while instead of this brutal round robin every year. We'd still play 9 games and 4 south teams, it's never going to be 5 and 3 like it used to be, it'll be 5 and 4 dodging just two teams, not like the Big Ten/SEC/ACC where they now dodge five teams from cross division every year.

 

[everyyard]

Big 12 is screwed in the playoff because we have one no name on a 13 person committee while other P5 conferences have 2 or 3 including some football legends. The CCG was just some nonsense excuse they made up at the last minute to screw out TCU.

I will absolutely guarantee that Notre Dame will not drop 3 spots in the final ranking if they win their last game by 50 because they don't play a 13th game. Guarantee.

Some things the playoff could actually do to help the Big 12 get deserved playoff representation:
-Go back to BCS ranking or some ranking that includes a computer component. Oklahoma is in or nearly in right now with the old BCS because they're likely 2 or 3 in the computer average 3rd.

-If we're only allowed one member to the Big Ten, Pac 12 and SEC all having 2 or 3 let's make that one member some sort of huge personality legend, not the Tech AD nobody has every heard of.

-How about mix up the committee every year like they do for hoops?

-How about allowing each conference to put two people of their choosing on the committee. We could even have 2 to the other conferences 3 since we're a smaller league, it's still drastically better than the biased slant it has now.

Or we could add two teams and a CCG that will make absolutely zero difference, but I agree give ISU an Iowa-like schedule every once in a while instead of this brutal round robin every year. We'd still play 9 games and 4 south teams, it's never going to be 5 and 3 like it used to be, it'll be 5 and 4 dodging just two teams, not like the Big Ten/SEC/ACC where they now dodge five teams from cross division every year.

Agree

 

[TheSammo]

Some people missed my point - it was not about sorting out the playoffs. My point is that ISU is in jeopardy if the Big12 does not stabilize. For the person who said adding Cincy decreases stability - I disagree, but that's a different discussion. Other conferences apparently can make strategic decisions but the Big12 can only act when faced with a serious threat. Being locked out of the playoffs time and again is a serious threat. That threat will force the Big12 to act to expand, not waiting to be poached, but adding teams to meet the modern standard of a power conference. My main point is the health of ISU. ISU would lose if the Big12 dismantled. If Big12 gets shut out of the playoffs it increases the chance that action will be taken to stabilize the conference.

 

[TheSammo]

Disagree with all of this, but mostly disagree with this:



The only way the Big 12 can be more destabilized is by watering it down with Cincinnati-type schools.

Title of this article: [h=2]Big Ten Expansion Would Most Likely Doom ACC, Big 12[/h]http://www.btpowerhouse.com/2015/7/21/8911733/big-ten-expansion-would-be-beneficial-down-the-road

 

[HFCS]

Some people missed my point - it was not about sorting out the playoffs. My point is that ISU is in jeopardy if the Big12 does not stabilize. For the person who said adding Cincy decreases stability - I disagree, but that's a different discussion. Other conferences apparently can make strategic decisions but the Big12 can only act when faced with a serious threat. Being locked out of the playoffs time and again is a serious threat. That threat will force the Big12 to act to expand, not waiting to be poached, but adding teams to meet the modern standard of a power conference. My main point is the health of ISU. ISU would lose if the Big12 dismantled. If Big12 gets shut out of the playoffs it increases the chance that action will be taken to stabilize the conference.

I agree with you, I just think the Big 12 gets shat on exactly the same way whether we have 8, 10, 12, 14, 16 or 24 teams.

The number that matters is 1. As in 1 no-name on a 13 person committee.

We all want Big 12 stability, I'm just highly skeptical that the Big 12 gets in this year if we have Cincy and Memphis in the conference and is out because we don't have them on board. Highly skeptical. TCU/Baylor are still out last year if they had Memphis and Cincy in their conference. Notre Dame will not drop 3 spots for a 50 point win in the final week, zero chance, in spite of not being a champ of anything and only playing 12 games. None of it is rational, none of it is consistent, none of it is honest.

 

[19clone91]

One of these days in the coming years, all of these conferences will all explode and it will be a cluster. Money is blinding everybody and the NCAA is not on a great path for the future.

 

[KnappShack]

I think you are correct. I agree with everything you said.

Would we possibly lose some money by expanding, possibly, but it would be worth it if it made the conference more stable and also gave us divisions again where we could be more successful.

Having Texas and Oklahoma take a pay cut makes the conference more stable?

 

[clonedude]

Mack Brown and OU's AD (Boren?) should be on the committee IMO. It might help some.

 

[TheSammo]

Having Texas and Oklahoma take a pay cut makes the conference more stable?

Texas and Oklahoma receiving a bid to the playoffs, when they deserve it, makes the conference more stable.

 

[HFCS]

Mack Brown and OU's AD (Boren?) should be on the committee IMO. It might help some.

I would STFU if we got that. I still think a small committee is idiotic compared to the old BCS ranking but at least that'd be a fair B12 represenation. 2 guys who actually matter while every other conference has 2 or 3 ties but ok since they mostly have 4 more members now.

There is absolutely no way an intelligent person can look at the makeup of this committee and say it's fair to the Big 12. It would be like Barry Switzer, Mac Brown and Jaime Pollard being on the committee while the Big Ten only has the Rutgers AD nobody has heard of. No rational person would want that for their conference or pretend that is fair to their conference.

 

[CyFan61]

Title of this article: Big Ten Expansion Would Most Likely Doom ACC, Big 12

http://www.btpowerhouse.com/2015/7/21/8911733/big-ten-expansion-would-be-beneficial-down-the-road

Misses a lot of context there. Sure, if Nebraska were interested in joining, we should expand. It completely depends on the available institutions. The B1G is somewhat unique in their model anyway because they want to get their network on cable packages. So Maryland and Rutgers made sense for them as well.

The Big 12 could probably get Memphis... the SEC got Texas A&M and Missouri. Huge difference

 

[isuno1fan]

No expansion ever. Please. Ten is best.

 

[Judoka]

The Big 12 being shut out of the playoff is the worst thing that could happen to Iowa State. The best thing that could happen is for the dominoes to fall perfectly such that the Big XII gets 2 teams in. But that's unlikely. So I'd settle for Oklahoma or Baylor getting in and at least making it to the championship game.