***Breece Hall Thread***
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He's fast AF. One thing that any ISU fan knows, is Breece has always been one of the most patient runners, and he will be patient enough to find the right gap then just explode through. That's probably my favorite part of his game. At times it can get him stopped earlier, but it also leads to insanely long runs. His long runs have been evidenced in his seven games with the Jets.
I think it is a couple things.
Vs. 30 or so years ago I would say generally yes, but to some extent it's more about who is bigger and faster in my opinion. Thirty years ago there were guys that were as big and fast as the current players. However, I think those guys were pretty much exclusively the genetic freaks. Their ligaments and tendons were PROBABLY more likely to be equipped to handle the force their muscles could generate. Training has allowed a lot of guys that have good natural ability, but aren't natural-born freaks to do some super explosive things. Now, this is not really something that can be proven, but is more intuitive, but it seems like those types of guys connective tissues are not naturally equipped to do these things.
Second, I think there is still and has been a lot of the old ways of training and doing squats and quad/glute exercises where guys were (and are) taught to squat but not to get their knees out in front of their toes. So they are squatting huge amounts of weight, so getting ridiculous quad and glute strength while keeping their knees from getting out in front of their toes. But in basketball and football in particular, most of the high explosive take-off and landing is happening with the knees way out in front of the athletes' toes. So they are getting loads of power, but not training from the most common knee position where high force occurs.
Now the 'knees over toes' exercises are a lot more common, but it's still way behind. This guy is typically credited with popularizing it. I'm sure there may be some holes, but from the little I have read and listened to him, it all makes a ton of sense, and taps into some approaches other cultures have taken in preserving mobility into old age:
Knees Over Toes Guy Wants You to Rethink Your Leg Day
Ben Patrick has a controversial plan to help you beat chronic pain—and transform your athleticism in the process.
I know playing on the old style turf at UNI that it had to be brutal on your body. But at the same time it was kind of cool because you could make some stupid changes of direction at high speeds that you couldn't do on a grass field.
And as others have pointed out, while field turf is better than the old astro turf by a mile, there's a lot of natural grass that's been replaced by field turf, and it still is not as good at injury prevention as natural grass.
Quenton Bundrage is about the only one I could think of off the top of my head.
Kene's major reconstructive surgery was on his Achilles, not a knee issue right? I can't remember and almost thought he may have had two surgeries.
That all sounds rather dubious. And you're relying on Men's Health for information?I think it is a couple things.
Vs. 30 or so years ago I would say generally yes, but to some extent it's more about who is bigger and faster in my opinion. Thirty years ago there were guys that were as big and fast as the current players. However, I think those guys were pretty much exclusively the genetic freaks. Their ligaments and tendons were PROBABLY more likely to be equipped to handle the force their muscles could generate. Training has allowed a lot of guys that have good natural ability, but aren't natural-born freaks to do some super explosive things. Now, this is not really something that can be proven, but is more intuitive, but it seems like those types of guys connective tissues are not naturally equipped to do these things.
Second, I think there is still and has been a lot of the old ways of training and doing squats and quad/glute exercises where guys were (and are) taught to squat but not to get their knees out in front of their toes. So they are squatting huge amounts of weight, so getting ridiculous quad and glute strength while keeping their knees from getting out in front of their toes. But in basketball and football in particular, most of the high explosive take-off and landing is happening with the knees way out in front of the athletes' toes. So they are getting loads of power, but not training from the most common knee position where high force occurs.
Now the 'knees over toes' exercises are a lot more common, but it's still way behind. This guy is typically credited with popularizing it. I'm sure there may be some holes, but from the little I have read and listened to him, it all makes a ton of sense, and taps into some approaches other cultures have taken in preserving mobility into old age:
Knees Over Toes Guy Wants You to Rethink Your Leg Day
Ben Patrick has a controversial plan to help you beat chronic pain—and transform your athleticism in the process.www.menshealth.com
That safety was also Justin Simmons who is one of the best in the league. Great run.
I think it is a couple things.
Vs. 30 or so years ago I would say generally yes, but to some extent it's more about who is bigger and faster in my opinion. Thirty years ago there were guys that were as big and fast as the current players. However, I think those guys were pretty much exclusively the genetic freaks. Their ligaments and tendons were PROBABLY more likely to be equipped to handle the force their muscles could generate. Training has allowed a lot of guys that have good natural ability, but aren't natural-born freaks to do some super explosive things. Now, this is not really something that can be proven, but is more intuitive, but it seems like those types of guys connective tissues are not naturally equipped to do these things.
Second, I think there is still and has been a lot of the old ways of training and doing squats and quad/glute exercises where guys were (and are) taught to squat but not to get their knees out in front of their toes. So they are squatting huge amounts of weight, so getting ridiculous quad and glute strength while keeping their knees from getting out in front of their toes. But in basketball and football in particular, most of the high explosive take-off and landing is happening with the knees way out in front of the athletes' toes. So they are getting loads of power, but not training from the most common knee position where high force occurs.
Now the 'knees over toes' exercises are a lot more common, but it's still way behind. This guy is typically credited with popularizing it. I'm sure there may be some holes, but from the little I have read and listened to him, it all makes a ton of sense, and taps into some approaches other cultures have taken in preserving mobility into old age:
Knees Over Toes Guy Wants You to Rethink Your Leg Day
Ben Patrick has a controversial plan to help you beat chronic pain—and transform your athleticism in the process.
I've heard more and more about a change in training philosophy recently towards the "GOATA movement" that challenges the positions of our feet, knees, back, etc. while training. Below is a decent video explaining this:
No, it’s just the first source I saw when googling it. It isn’t dubious, PT and trainers have pretty widely accepted the concept.
I’d say it’s about the opposite of dubious. If you are playing an explosive sport you are constantly going to exerting large amounts of force with your knees ahead of your toes. It’s a natural act that happens constantly in sports. You can’t avoid it playing. It also happens to be a stressful position. So you can either gradually build ability to absorb and produce force from that position you will be in hundreds of times a game, or you can never train it and just start doing it hundreds of times a game and hope for the best.
There are lots of PT and trainers that have evaluated the method and it seems to be pretty well accepted. Patrick seems to be super cautious in advising people about how slowly to add in resistance.
Exercises like knee over toe split squats are pretty commonly used now in college and HS.
I think the UNI Dome turf at one time was the old concreteish but I know in the late 90s it was much softer to land on at least. Still rug burns galore.
It's funny because I was just telling some Jets fans on Reddit last week that they hadn't even seen the Breece signature long run yet...which is basically his TD run yesterday. That's exactly what he did there.
How many of those 60-80 yard runs did he have for us the exact same way on a day the rest of the offense was struggling?
Bundrage was extremely underrated in his time here. Great receiver on some not-so-great teams.
Yeah, seriously. This thread made me feel like it was 1990 or something.
With surgery and rehab advancements, ACL's are now far from career ending. There are guys who literally come back full speed in 6 months. It sucks for Breece and the Jets this season, but he'll be back.
