Brewer’s Career Over?

[ISUAlum2002]

I mean, coaches are free to substitute as they wish to keep players fresh and hydrated. It's just hard for me to get worked up about this when it was our failure and I'm certain not one Cyclone fan would care if the shoe were on the other foot.

Definitely not now after what they pulled this past season. Baylor comes to Ames on November 14th this coming season. I'm hoping we have an early arctic blast and for some reason they're required to get permission to run heaters on the sideline but neglect to do so. I'd hope we would refuse to let them be used now that we've seen that our fellow conference-mates care nothing for player safety but only competitive advantages. However, I'm confident our administration would take the high road. Unlike Baylor's.

 

[Trice]

Definitely not now after what they pulled this past season. Baylor comes to Ames on November 14th this coming season. I'm hoping we have an early arctic blast and for some reason they're required to get permission to run heaters on the sideline but neglect to do so. I'd hope we would refuse to let them be used now that we've seen that our fellow conference-mates care nothing for player safety but only competitive advantages. However, I'm confident our administration would take the high road. Unlike Baylor's.

Sure. I guess we can continue to play the victim here when what happened was 100% within our power to avoid.

 

[UNI1ISU2]

Was it the same source that said ISU's ESPN College Gameday set was going to be in a muddy construction zone?

No but it was the source that told me before
The season even started that game day was coming to Ames and if you look back in the forum their is time stamped posts proving that. Also here is a screen shot of an article that talks about the Baylor qb since you don’t believe me

 

[Clonefan32]

The AP article had this about the hit. I wasn't watching when it happened, just posting what Baylor/Rhule said.

--Baylor coach Matt Rhule said Brewer did not appear concussed this time. Medical staff was concerned about possible spinal and neck injuries. Rhule expected Brewer to be monitored overnight, but added that early indications were the injuries were not career threatening.

"It's scary when they were holding his head and stabilize his neck and he's yelling at them to let go of him and let him go back in the game," Rhule said. "He's a great player whose best football is in front of him."

https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=401135289

"Oh Charlie, shoot he's always like that. Just the other day I was all like 'Hey Charlie, do you know where you are right now?' and he was like 'No way coach'. That kid is always goofin' around like that. Probably gettin' them headaches from studying too much"

 

[TykeClone]

Definitely not now after what they pulled this past season. Baylor comes to Ames on November 14th this coming season. I'm hoping we have an early arctic blast and for some reason they're required to get permission to run heaters on the sideline but neglect to do so. I'd hope we would refuse to let them be used now that we've seen that our fellow conference-mates care nothing for player safety but only competitive advantages. However, I'm confident our administration would take the high road. Unlike Baylor's.

Ames should just pass an ordinance to take effect on 11/1/20 that requires the fire chief to inspect and sign off on sideline heaters before they are used at a football game. And then send him on a two week vacation to anywhere so they can't get the sign off for baylor.

 

[heitclone]

This kids grandpa, father and uncle played QB at Texas, older bro at TT and Va Tech, hopefully they can give him the right advice.

 

[isufbcurt]

This kids grandpa, father and uncle played QB at Texas, older bro at TT and Va Tech, hopefully they can give him the right advice.

Yeah "Go with your heart"

 

[heitclone]

Yeah "Go with your heart"

Rub some dirt on it?

 

[AuH2O]

Yeah "Go with your heart"

"...because when your brain has suffered that level of trauma it's best to pass the decision-making on to another organ."

 

[isufbcurt]

"...because when your brain has suffered that level of trauma it's best to pass the decision-making on to another organ."

As I've stated many many times before it should be the kids choice to keep playing or not (talking career and not an individual game). You only have a limited time to play college football. I have had 3 above average concussions and many other minor ones and in a heart beat I'd go back out there and play again.

Everyone is different in what they want to do and it should be the individuals choice.

 

[Clonefan94]

As I've stated many many times before it should be the kids choice to keep playing or not (talking career and not an individual game). You only have a limited time to play college football. I have had 3 above average concussions and many other minor ones and in a heart beat I'd go back out there and play again.

Everyone is different in what they want to do and it should be the individuals choice.

In a perfect world, I agree with you 100%. The problem today is though, if the institutions don't take a hard stand, this could come back to bite them when later in life lawyers get involved and come back asking for a bucket of cash because the institution continued to let a player play, even though they had medical data to suggest otherwise.

I don't blame players in the past coming after the NFL like they did, as the NFL was hiding what they knew, but in today's world, can colleges, the NFL, heck even high school and pee wee, take the chance when they know what they do now about concussions?

I'm just not sure that the courts would say, "Hey, it's on you for continuing to play knowing what the science says now." It should be a person's own choice, 100%, as long as they are willing to live by that decision later in life and the problems that may come with it.

 

[isufbcurt]

In a perfect world, I agree with you 100%. The problem today is though, if the institutions don't take a hard stand, this could come back to bite them when later in life lawyers get involved and come back asking for a bucket of cash because the institution continued to let a player play, even though they had medical data to suggest otherwise.

I don't blame players in the past coming after the NFL like they did, as the NFL was hiding what they knew, but in today's world, can colleges, the NFL, heck even high school and pee wee, take the chance when they know what they do now about concussions?

I'm just not sure that the courts would say, "Hey, it's on you for continuing to play knowing what the science says now." It should be a person's own choice, 100%, as long as they are willing to live by that decision later in life and the problems that may come with it.

I agree with you because of the litigation. I for one would never think of suing ISU or my High School if I have problems later. I knew the risks, but the rewards out weighed the risks.

 

[AuH2O]

As I've stated many many times before it should be the kids choice to keep playing or not (talking career and not an individual game). You only have a limited time to play college football. I have had 3 above average concussions and many other minor ones and in a heart beat I'd go back out there and play again.

Everyone is different in what they want to do and it should be the individuals choice.

I agree with this. My son is cranked up to play football in 7th grade next year, and I endorse it. I'm probably in the minority but I just don't have the fear most parents have for a few reasons.

1. I know it's just Iowa JH and HS, but in six years of playing, and probably carrying the ball 1000 times in games I can't say there was a single time I had anything that I was concerned about or would even be diagnosed as a concussion. I had a couple from basketball and from messing around on the playground, farm, etc. but not from football.
2. There are some terrific benefits to football that I never found elsewhere. Other sports were great, but the year-long multi-year dedication and toughness it took are hard to replicate in other things for a JH and HS kid.
3. My kid's probably suited to only play WR or CB, so that helps. He's fast, scrawny and can catch everything.
4. It is monitored so closely now that it seems like a kid and parents can make informed decisions about continuing to play or getting out of the game.

 

[BryceC]

As I've stated many many times before it should be the kids choice to keep playing or not (talking career and not an individual game). You only have a limited time to play college football. I have had 3 above average concussions and many other minor ones and in a heart beat I'd go back out there and play again.

Everyone is different in what they want to do and it should be the individuals choice.

I usually feel the same way, but when it comes to young people I'm just not not sure anymore. I didn't think long term then. I certainly didn't think long term in high school. I don't think you can leave it up to them always because they just don't have the perspective.

 

[knowlesjam]

I agree with this. My son is cranked up to play football in 7th grade next year, and I endorse it. I'm probably in the minority but I just don't have the fear most parents have for a few reasons.

1. I know it's just Iowa JH and HS, but in six years of playing, and probably carrying the ball 1000 times in games I can't say there was a single time I had anything that I was concerned about or would even be diagnosed as a concussion. I had a couple from basketball and from messing around on the playground, farm, etc. but not from football.
2. There are some terrific benefits to football that I never found elsewhere. Other sports were great, but the year-long multi-year dedication and toughness it took are hard to replicate in other things for a JH and HS kid.
3. My kid's probably suited to only play WR or CB, so that helps. He's fast, scrawny and can catch everything.
4. It is monitored so closely now that it seems like a kid and parents can make informed decisions about continuing to play or getting out of the game.

Agree with both of these choices...we talked it over with our son and decided that running, baseball, and basketball would be a better track given the information at the time. Could he have played football...absolutely...just went down a different sports path.

My biggest fear with QB Brewer is does he really know what is going on...potentially will go on when he gets older? Much of the research says that each subsequent impact, even if fully recovered, can both bring on a concussion quicker/easier, along with releasing additional Tau proteins that build up and increase the chance of either having CTE or having earlier onset. Yeah, I get that he is an adult, and it is his choice, but what is too much and how does one determine if the person making the choice is making one based on clear thinking. Gahhh...too much deep thinking for a Friday afternoon.

 

[AuH2O]

I usually feel the same way, but when it comes to young people I'm just not not sure anymore. I didn't think long term then. I certainly didn't think long term in high school. I don't think you can leave it up to them always because they just don't have the perspective.

I think parents/mentors need to be a part of the decision-making through HS and probably in college too. But I agree with Curt that I don't think the school or anyone else should force the decision on a college guy that's 19-22 based on chronic issues. Of course there's a link to chronic negative health outcomes, just as there is with alcohol, added sugar, marijuana, late nights gaming, food additives, etc.

 

[VeloClone]

Going from memory here, but I recall that it was Baylor that complained about the tents. But it was also reported at the time that it is up to ISU to get approval from the Big 12 in order to use them, and ISU failed to do so. So it sounds like we dropped the ball on that. That's not a popular take, I'm sure, but let's not pretend if the situation were reversed we wouldn't be applauding Campbell for complaining to the league to get an edge at home.

Having said all that, Baylor was, and is, a garbage university. Of that, nobody needs convincing.

Wasn't this a brand new requirement this year? I thought I had heard that when this all went down. If it indeed was, the league should have a had a little bit of tolerance when player safety is involved. Having 300+ lb. guys even just standing around in that kind of surface temperatures in direct sunlight with full football gear on can be dangerous. A few minutes of shade every now and then can go a long way toward returning body temperatures to a safe level.

And I have worked outside enough in my life to know that you can get pretty worn out from working in the heat. A few minutes of rest in the shade can do a lot to revitalize a body.

 

[Trice]

Wasn't this a brand new requirement this year? I thought I had heard that when this all went down. If it indeed was, the league should have a had a little bit of tolerance when player safety is involved. Having 300+ lb. guys even just standing around in that kind of surface temperatures in direct sunlight with full football gear on can be dangerous. A few minutes of shade every now and then can go a long way toward returning body temperatures to a safe level.

And I have worked outside enough in my life to know that you can get pretty worn out from working in the heat. A few minutes of rest in the shade can do a lot to revitalize a body.

Again - imagine the tables were turned and it was ISU that complained about an opponent in a situation like this and the Big 12 failed to enforce its own rule. We'd be livid, and rightfully so.

This was avoidable. All we had to do was get permission. We didn't. It's on us.

 

[VeloClone]

Again - imagine the tables were turned and it was ISU that complained about an opponent in a situation like this and the Big 12 failed to enforce its own rule. We'd be livid, and rightfully so.

This was avoidable. All we had to do was get permission. We didn't. It's on us.

The difference is ISU would not complain about an opponent in that situation. There is no harm done to the hosting team - it is ******* paperwork. It might mean a little scramble on game day but I can't even see how that would be the case. Jamie might embarrass them a little bit but in the end he would have let it go in the name of player safety, just like it should have in Waco.

 

[Jacktronic]

I agree with this. My son is cranked up to play football in 7th grade next year, and I endorse it. I'm probably in the minority but I just don't have the fear most parents have for a few reasons.

1. I know it's just Iowa JH and HS, but in six years of playing, and probably carrying the ball 1000 times in games I can't say there was a single time I had anything that I was concerned about or would even be diagnosed as a concussion. I had a couple from basketball and from messing around on the playground, farm, etc. but not from football.
2. There are some terrific benefits to football that I never found elsewhere. Other sports were great, but the year-long multi-year dedication and toughness it took are hard to replicate in other things for a JH and HS kid.
3. My kid's probably suited to only play WR or CB, so that helps. He's fast, scrawny and can catch everything.
4. It is monitored so closely now that it seems like a kid and parents can make informed decisions about continuing to play or getting out of the game.

Fwiw CTE does not require concussions.