Campbell’s Offense

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I agree with a lot of this but it's like Breece Hall running behind an O-line of 5 star Alabama players and then asking why he wasn't better at ISU.
 
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I just feel like there's some revisionist history here.. Last year's offense was bad, that's a given, but we have not had a bad offense in Campbell's previous seasons. Even look at 2021 and go through those games. It was in game execution more than anything that year.

- Purdy fumbles the snap against Baylor to force OT
- We get actually screwed by the refs against WVU (TD call where their receiver doesn't come close to landing in bounds and Breece crosses the goal line but a fumble is called)
- Defense plays horrific against TTU and they hit an NCAA record FG to win
- Lose by 7 at OU but Purdy overthrows a could be TD to tie

Our offense in all of those games played well. The only two games that year where it didn't play well in a loss was against Iowa, who had an insane defense that year and we flat out laid an egg, and then Clemson, where X played one handed and Breece didn't play at all.

Coach Campbell made a plethora of changes up and down the staff this year and some expect the changes to be instant? That's almost impossible, especially when game two you play a defense that is legit.

I will tell you one thing that has always been a constant….our line is never better than “average”. That’s a problem.

I’m sure @Stormin has a great response for this, “just give them 10 more years!”
 

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Nobody expects the change to be instant, but we should expect competency in the hurry-up offense in year 8. We should at least see CIML level competence in time management and timeout preservation. We should see some innovation and creativity out of people paid multiple millions per year to be exactly that.

Can people at least consider some staff changes were simply window dressing? Because I don't see where we put much stress on the Iowa defense. And playing them straight-up means you are playing their game. Which we lose, almost annually.

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I will tell you one thing that has always been a constant….our line is never better than “average”. That’s a problem.

I’m sure @Stormin has a great response for this, “just give them 10 more years!”
One thing the Midwest generally, and Iowa in particular is not known for producing is offensive linemen.
 

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I agree with a lot of this but it's like Breece Hall running behind an O-line of 5 star Alabama players and then asking why he wasn't better at ISU.
I don't understand.. are there people saying Breece was bad at ISU? He was the best RB in CFB for two straight years.
 

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That’s all I’ve heard on here, and elsewhere, since Saturday…. we just can’t beat the almighty Hawks…. they’re too good, and we aren’t built to beat a team like that.

Nobody even gets ticked off anymore…. acceptance has just set in that we are little brother and always will be. This game means nothing to us, and it means everything to Iowa BS. We’re always young it seems…. and inexperienced. Why?

Sorry…. I’m not happy about this BS. Nobody should be. Why even play this game if we can only win it once every 10 years when we get lucky?

CMC said this is the best we’ve played against them…. by getting down 17 points? If that’s our best…. holy s**t!

Or…. if we hadn’t gotten the FG blocked, or thrown a pick six…. we could have won! Why not ask why we’re always the team making all the mistakes and Iowa doesn’t??

Sorry I’m just sick of the loser acceptance attitude.

Jesus, step outside for a smoke or something. I HATE losing to Iowa too but some of ya'll out put too much stock into it.
 
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I just feel like there's some revisionist history here.. Last year's offense was bad, that's a given, but we have not had a bad offense in Campbell's previous seasons. Even look at 2021 and go through those games. It was in game execution more than anything that year.

Coach Campbell made a plethora of changes up and down the staff this year and some expect the changes to be instant? That's almost impossible, especially when game two you play a defense that is legit.

You are not wrong. The offense has been very good at times. I think the main frustration around Iowa is the approach is basically exactly the wrong tool for the job, and having proven its the wrong tool for the job, it gets used again and again anyway. At least that is the issue for me.

The offense can't just be "we are who we are and that's all we are". You can be who you are, but still put some tweaks or wrinkles in there game to game that try to exploit what the defense will be doing and looking for.

Sun Tzu explained it best:
...the direct method may be used for joining battle, but indirect methods will be needed in order to secure victory.
Indirect tactics, efficiently applied, are inexhaustible as Heaven and Earth, unending as the flow of rivers and streams; like the sun and moon, they end but to begin anew; like the four seasons, they pass away to return once more.


CMC seems to be all over the direct method, but to win football games you need some indirect sprinkled in to win. Maybe "The Art of War" should be on the reading list...
 

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I don't understand.. are there people saying Breece was bad at ISU? He was the best RB in CFB for two straight years.
I think the overarching argument isn't why wasn't Breece better at ISU, but rather why wasn't ISU better with Breece? Many are quick to disparage the Fiesta Bowl season. I too think that that particular season is a bit of an anomaly/should be asterisked, but 2021 was the season Iowa State should have really vaulted itself to new heights, but instead we fell flat on our faces. Seems like positive momentum has really been tough to generate ever since, save for the 3-0 start last season.
 

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You are not wrong. The offense has been very good at times. I think the main frustration around Iowa is the approach is basically exactly the wrong tool for the job, and having proven its the wrong tool for the job, it gets used again and again anyway. At least that is the issue for me.

The offense can't just be "we are who we are and that's all we are". You can be who you are, but still put some tweaks or wrinkles in there game to game that try to exploit what the defense will be doing and looking for.

Sun Tzu explained it best:
...the direct method may be used for joining battle, but indirect methods will be needed in order to secure victory.
Indirect tactics, efficiently applied, are inexhaustible as Heaven and Earth, unending as the flow of rivers and streams; like the sun and moon, they end but to begin anew; like the four seasons, they pass away to return once more.

CMC seems to be all over the direct method, but to win football games you need some indirect sprinkled in to win. Maybe "The Art of War" should be on the reading list...
Oh absolutely, if we're just strictly talking about the Iowa game I completely agree that Matt's approach has been putrid.
 

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I think the overarching argument isn't why wasn't Breece better at ISU, but rather why wasn't ISU better with Breece? Many are quick to disparage the Fiesta Bowl season. I too think that that particular season is a bit of an anomaly/should be asterisked, but 2021 was the season Iowa State should have really vaulted itself to new heights, but instead we fell flat on our faces. Seems like positive momentum has really been tough to generate ever since, save for the 3-0 start last season.
Right, but in 2021 the offense itself wasn't the problem, rather it was play calling in key situations as well as executing. Our defense also fell off a cliff after we lost Mike Rose and then he wasn't the same. 2021 is a black eye because I do agree, we should've won 9-10 games. Last year though, give us a damn special teams and we win 7 games. We lost nearly everyone and ISU is not a reload type of program.

Our special teams (not including Noel's poor performance Saturday) is night and day different and will help us win football games this year. I'd love to allow a very young offense sprinkled with talent some time to play and grow together before we start bringing up whether or not Matt Campbell is the right man for the job, because I think that's a ridiculous statement.
 
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Right, but in 2021 the offense itself wasn't the problem, rather it was play calling in key situations as well as executing. Our defense also fell off a cliff after we lost Mike Rose and then he wasn't the same. 2021 is a black eye because I do agree, we should've won 9-10 games. Last year though, give us a damn special teams and we win 7 games. We lost nearly everyone and ISU is not a reload type of program.

Our special teams (not including Noel's poor performance Saturday) is night and day different and will help us win football games this year. I'd love to allow a very young offense sprinkled with talent some time to play and grow together before we start bringing up whether or not Matt Campbell is the right man for the job, because I think that's a ridiculous statement.
I hope someone else gets an opportunity to field punts and kicks. I have been on the Noel bandwagon the entire time he's been at ISU, but I am at least one foot off after Saturday. He needs to finally perform. Punt return especially does not seem like something in his skillset after watching him struggle with it all year last year and this year so far.
 

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I hope someone else gets an opportunity to field punts and kicks. I have been on the Noel bandwagon the entire time he's been at ISU, but I am at least one foot off after Saturday. He needs to finally perform. Punt return especially does not seem like something in his skillset after watching him struggle with it all year last year and this year so far.
It's all between the ears with that guy. He actually has a lot of talent but he allows one single mistake to completely ruin him.
 

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It's all between the ears with that guy. He actually has a lot of talent but he allows one single mistake to completely ruin him.
I am seeing that as well. There is a lot of talent there, he is a home run waiting to happen. He just lets negative plays eat at him and it shows.
 
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It’s clear at this point the OC doesn’t matter. Campbell is running the show. I get it’s a freshman qb, but wow how stubborn can you be to constantly run the ball up the middle on first down thinking it will eventually work. If you don’t have the players, get creative and put them in winning positions. If KU can do it, why can’t we?
You say you get that its a freshman QB, but you clearly don't.
 
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It's all between the ears with that guy. He actually has a lot of talent but he allows one single mistake to completely ruin him.
Why doesnt Quaron Adams get a chance to have success while Noel is being a headcase? Set him back there to catch punts or kicks. Let him get some time. Send him deep to take the top off a defense, he is faster anyway
 

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Why doesnt Quaron Adams get a chance to have success while Noel is being a headcase? Set him back there to catch punts or kicks. Let him get some time. Send him deep to take the top off a defense, he is faster anyway
No clue but if he's not playing there's probably a reason. If Noel keeps ******* up though, he may see his way onto the field soon.
 
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No clue but if he's not playing there's probably a reason. If Noel keeps ******* up though, he may see his way onto the field soon.
I like Noel, but so far other than Higgins our WR room has been abysmal. However, has been one of our strengths in recruiting. Parkes, Gaines, Ngoyi, Essex, etc have all been 3-4 star guys. Why arent they playing? Give them some experience IMO
 
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I try not to single out players if I can but I’ll just say I’d definitely like to see someone else back there fielding kicks. ISU lost a lot of field position and nearly 7 points last week, and it’s not a new problem.

I’m not going to pretend I know who, but there has to be some guys that can reliably field a kick and are a threat in space.
 

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I like Noel, but so far other than Higgins our WR room has been abysmal. However, has been one of our strengths in recruiting. Parkes, Gaines, Ngoyi, Essex, etc have all been 3-4 star guys. Why arent they playing? Give them some experience IMO
If they were playing well in practice, they'd be playing right now. Give them time they're still very young and the guys that are playing are not that young.
 
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