Campustown redevelopment

cycoOJfan89

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I really have no idea how Capones, Headliners, Sgt Peppers and Chasers are still open.

Chasers is my FAC bar and it can get pretty darn busy. That is all Chasers is good for though... My usual spots are Element or Paddy's/Sips or Es Tas for everything besides FAC.

Cy's Roost is grungy, tacky and movement is literally impossible. Why people like that bar is beyond me... Mickey's is kind of the same but way more tolerable and I don't mind going there for a change up from my usual spots. Both of these establishments need new bathrooms ASAP

Outlaws is not my crowd, WAS has always seemed dull to me and Cafe B/Capones/Headliners/Sgt Peppers have got to be running illegal drug operations to be staying afloat! Didn't Capones used to be a popular bar in the past?
 

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If the city wants to redevelop this area it should show its serious and start with its own property and knock down the fire station. Instead theyre slating that as 'future development'. How much you want to bet phase 1 happens but the city never gets around to taking its own share of the burden with the fire station?

If other stuff besides bars was going to succeed in this area, its had plenty of chances. In recent years we've had non-bar business fleeing welch, not coming to it, despite more and more apartments built in that area that should be driving up traffic. The big problem is that there are now many more eating options on campus than there were 10 years ago, from the UDCC to the upgraded hub. Less of a draw to walk down to welch for lunch. There are also more businesses open in the duff and west ames areas, and far more students bring cars to school than 20-30 years ago, making those alternatives much more attractive.

If they want to make it a nicer entertainment district (a sort of ames-sized power and light district) that'd be one thing (and actually could be a great improvement on the area, and could actually draw more people in from around town (and even out of towners on gamedays) but this comes off more as the townies trying to shoehorn in 'their type' of businesses into this area, where the market will not support it, and despite having these types of businesses in other areas of Ames.

As to the 'campustown has gotten so much worse' argument, i contend that you've just gotten old. The campustown bars are no worse than when i started at ISU in 03. I question whether putting in new buildings even has a chance of succeeding, there's so much turnover in the area it seems like most bars even struggle, what effect will putting in new buildings, which mean higher rent costs, have on these businesses?
 
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Bars are always going to be the cash cow in campus town. That is where the money is always going to be and always will. I dont see why some people think the bars are all going to go away. These plans just seem to want ot make the place look better and offer more options.

Theyre very clear that they want campustown to offer something different. There is a finite amount of space in the area. If more 'diverse options' are increasing in space, bars are decreasing. Its fairly simple.
 

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Theyre very clear that they want campustown to offer something different. There is a finite amount of space in the area. If more 'diverse options' are increasing in space, bars are decreasing. Its fairly simple.

Great plan - encourage students to drive somewhere to drink.
 

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My understanding (although admittedly limited) is that what they are planning to develop will allow for bars on the street level mixed with stores, and then more "stuff" located in floors above. Am I wrong?
 

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this comes off more as the townies trying to shoehorn in 'their type' of businesses into this area, where the market will not support it, and despite having these types of businesses in other areas of Ames.

Yeah, the Townies have Main Street, the college kids have Campustown.

Other than bars and tattoo parlors and a few cheap drunk food eateries like Flying Burrito and Piza Pit, what kinds of businesses do they think are going to survive in Campustown?

I was never a big fan of the bar scene in Ames anyways. Welch Ave is about the only place I ever went to. The house party scene in Ames is much better than the bar scene in Iowa City, at least in my opinion.
 

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Another thing that I have a problem with is that they want to open up a Marriott hotel. They have also asked the University that if that happens they want the MU to close their hotel. This is mainly because there would be too much competition in the area. Still do not know what I think about these plans, but I don't see many businesses lasting on Welch that aren't bars.
 

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Ames in general has become a dump. It has more blighted areas along Duff and Campus Town is more crappy then it has ever been.
 

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Another thing that I have a problem with is that they want to open up a Marriott hotel. They have also asked the University that if that happens they want the MU to close their hotel. This is mainly because there would be too much competition in the area. Still do not know what I think about these plans, but I don't see many businesses lasting on Welch that aren't bars.

I would stay at the Marriott even if the MU didn't close their hotel. Have you ever stayed at the hotel in the MU? That place is a dump...
 

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Somebody really needs to do something about Cy's Roost's bathroom. It has gotten worse.

That place is a hole in general. I particularly love the unfinished construction of the place, the bathroom, the ceiling tiles falling down, the huge hole by the pool table, etc. Hard to believe that it was less of a trash heap when I was there in 2000. I think the bar was on the other side if I remember right.
 

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Well if the city would ever hold these places to the same standards as other property owners, things wouldn't be such a mess. However they genereate a lot of money for the city and in return get away with less than spectacular facilities. Ames is prob one of the worst places to own for the little man.
 

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Chasers is my FAC bar and it can get pretty darn busy. That is all Chasers is good for though... My usual spots are Element or Paddy's/Sips or Es Tas for everything besides FAC.

Cy's Roost is grungy, tacky and movement is literally impossible. Why people like that bar is beyond me... Mickey's is kind of the same but way more tolerable and I don't mind going there for a change up from my usual spots. Both of these establishments need new bathrooms ASAP

Outlaws is not my crowd, WAS has always seemed dull to me and Cafe B/Capones/Headliners/Sgt Peppers have got to be running illegal drug operations to be staying afloat! Didn't Capones used to be a popular bar in the past?

A couple things. First, Lane4 says they want to bring in more diverse options and bussinesses, but they target what is probably the most successfull non-bar business in Campus Town (Mayhem) for removal? I've never actually been in that place, but personally I think it actually looks pretty well-kept and is one of the iconic stores in campustown. There is obviouslly a demand for it because it has been going strong for decades..

Second, I can't speak for Capones or Sgt. Peppers, but Headliners attracts crowds who like to see live shows much in the same way People's did at that same location. That is a very nice building since the family who owns it completely renovated it for "Papa's" few years ago. Also, Cafe B is successfull because they serve very good food and appeal to international students. I'm guessing you have never been there from your statement, but it is usually filled with latin americans on Friday and Saturday nights and any time there is a soccer game. It is actually one of the most expensive bars in campustown because the owner actively tries to appeal to an older more mature crowd and it has paid off.

I am all for development in Campus Town, but some of these changes just don't make sense to me. As other have already said, what about the cities fire station? Why are they even considering using eminent domain on private busineses before using the space they already own and have acknowledged will eventually be moved?
 

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That place is a hole in general. I particularly love the unfinished construction of the place, the bathroom, the ceiling tiles falling down, the huge hole by the pool table, etc. Hard to believe that it was less of a trash heap when I was there in 2000. I think the bar was on the other side if I remember right.

I've never seen a place rennovate and come out WORSE until I saw Cys. That place used to be iconic. Yeah, it was a little worn, but it had character...similar to WAS, but better. Cy's and L&F were nice for about 6 months after the rennovation and ever since then, they've went downhill bigtime. Cys used to be a place where there was a great mix of people. You had students for sure, but alumni would go in there, especially on gamedays. Anyone could go in there for a game of pool and a burger. Now, the place is worse than a dive. It went from an ISU institution to a poor man's Paddys. Sad.
 

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A couple things. First, Lane4 says they want to bring in more diverse options and bussinesses, but they target what is probably the most successfull non-bar business in Campus Town (Mayhem) for removal? I've never actually been in that place, but personally I think it actually looks pretty well-kept and is one of the iconic stores in campustown. There is obviouslly a demand for it because it has been going strong for decades..

Second, I can't speak for Capones or Sgt. Peppers, but Headliners attracts crowds who like to see live shows much in the same way People's did at that same location. That is a very nice building since the family who owns it completely renovated it for "Papa's" few years ago. Also, Cafe B is successfull because they serve very good food and appeal to international students. I'm guessing you have never been there from your statement, but it is usually filled with latin americans on Friday and Saturday nights and any time there is a soccer game. It is actually one of the most expensive bars in campustown because the owner actively tries to appeal to an older more mature crowd and it has paid off.

I am all for development in Campus Town, but some of these changes just don't make sense to me. As other have already said, what about the cities fire station? Why are they even considering using eminent domain on private busineses before using the space they already own and have acknowledged will eventually be moved?

Yeah, if they are wanting to put a grocery store in that Headliners building, they taking one of the prime bar spots away. They are going to have to remember that bars, pub food and tatoos are what has been making money down there. I doubt that they'd try to run those businesses out, but if they do, they'll take a bath and have a bunch of open buildings.

My thoughts on what they should do:

1. Bulldoze the corner where Copyworks is. Go up past Mickeys to the driveway and over past Capones on LW. Then open up that parking lot to make a big plaza with an outdoor stage. Bulldoze pretty much everything in that parking lot (Ark, Scalion). Resurrect the creek that flows under the lot, so there's a nice plaza with a creek running through it. New buildings that stand where Mickeys is should have balconeys facing the plaza.

2. CLOSE that first block of Welch, making it a ped mall. Move the fire station and allow some cool bar to go in there. Expand the sidewalks to have outdoor seating. If this isn't possible, at least make Welch one-way or an access road. There's no reason for any kind of parking on that first block.

3. Leave the Headliners building as-is. If they want a grocery/pharmacy, put it in next door to Headliners. Live music is the key to Campustown and that should be promoted, not hindered.

4. Bulldoze the pink Pita Pit building. That's where the Marriott will go. The MU Hotel has been hemmoraging money, I doubt that ISU is going to have any issues with shutting that down. Marriott upstairs, commercial on the ground floor...that would be good.

5. Bulldoze Outlaws and whatever buildings are between that and the Kum&Go. Then put up an entertainment complex with a couple movie theatres, a big arcade and maybe indoor paintball.

So, I think that this plan would not take out many bars. It would spruce up the area some plus give both underage students and older alums a reason to go down there. I think that Campustown CAN be more than just drunks, tatoos and drunk food. But they have to do it right and I don't know if what they are proposing is the right way to go about things.
 

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A lot of my feelings on this subject have already been said. As I now live in Kansas City, have an area like Power and Light would be awesome, but there aren't nearly enough people to make an area like that succesful in Ames.

With that being said here is what I would do if i was in charge (in phases because Ames loves to do that)

Phase 1.
1. Move the fire station to somewhere a few blocks away from welch, possibly where the Taco Bell used to be?
2. Close off the streets to parking now, so that it isnt as big of a shock when it happens in the near future.

Phase 2. Starting hopefully in May of 2012
1. Close all of the places on welch. They all need SERIOUS renovations, and doing them all at the same time over the summer will hopefully save them from losing too much of their businesses.
2. Close the intersection, and turn the block of Welch into a ped mall by building a Stage (outdoors with a cover, similar to KC but a lot smaller) right at the intersection.
3. Add restaurants and businesses to the blocks surrounding Welch, and keep the bars on that block. Build patios off of the front of all of the bars (or the new back if you want to think of it that way) so all people are kept in this area, and any concerts done will be heard by people at all bars if they want to.

Phase 3. Starting May of 2015
1. Continue growth to the blocks down Lincoln Way to improve those facilities (mayhem, cafeb, jeffs, etc) without closing any of these, but including them into the "feel" of campus town.
2. Bring events to Cyclone Live, to draw familes to the area on week nights, and keep it a Student area during the weekends.

Pretty complicated and I'm sure there are a few wholes, but hopefully this all makes sense. Completely starting over makes no sense to me, but renovations are sorely needed, and need to happen ASAP to save the area.
 

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A lot of my feelings on this subject have already been said. As I now live in Kansas City, have an area like Power and Light would be awesome, but there aren't nearly enough people to make an area like that succesful in Ames.

With that being said here is what I would do if i was in charge (in phases because Ames loves to do that)

Phase 1.
1. Move the fire station to somewhere a few blocks away from welch, possibly where the Taco Bell used to be?
2. Close off the streets to parking now, so that it isnt as big of a shock when it happens in the near future.

Phase 2. Starting hopefully in May of 2012
1. Close all of the places on welch. They all need SERIOUS renovations, and doing them all at the same time over the summer will hopefully save them from losing too much of their businesses.
2. Close the intersection, and turn the block of Welch into a ped mall by building a Stage (outdoors with a cover, similar to KC but a lot smaller) right at the intersection.
3. Add restaurants and businesses to the blocks surrounding Welch, and keep the bars on that block. Build patios off of the front of all of the bars (or the new back if you want to think of it that way) so all people are kept in this area, and any concerts done will be heard by people at all bars if they want to.

Phase 3. Starting May of 2015
1. Continue growth to the blocks down Lincoln Way to improve those facilities (mayhem, cafeb, jeffs, etc) without closing any of these, but including them into the "feel" of campus town.
2. Bring events to Cyclone Live, to draw familes to the area on week nights, and keep it a Student area during the weekends.

Pretty complicated and I'm sure there are a few wholes, but hopefully this all makes sense. Completely starting over makes no sense to me, but renovations are sorely needed, and need to happen ASAP to save the area.


Edit* The bars will be able to expand during this renovation to make the places a little larger by removing places like the head shop, subway, etc. and turn them more into sit-down type places, possible with a menu similar to Cafe B or Headlines which serve food. This will make all of them more successful and appeal to people at times outside of bar hours on weekends.
 

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No, do you realize how much more money Alumni would bring in if they had some resturants or shops catered to both Alumni, students, and family. The drunk fest can still be there because Alumni and families will not be there late at night anyway.

This! Good points.

Campustown is a dump and half the buildings look like crap. Over half the buildings themselves are crap, like literally falling apart and barely meeting code. I wouldn't want my family anywhere near there. The bathrooms alone are unbelievable. I feel more and more disgusted being there and I'm only 4 years out of school. Visited Ames Friday night actually and had no desire to go to Welch, stayed at Dublin most of the night.

They can make it a place that doesn't repel families/alumni without hindering the drunk bar scene. It will take A LOT of work but it can be done. The current building owners and the city need to nut up and come to a consensus for everyones benefit.