CFP Expanding to 12 Teams

[HFCS]

In the article it also says how they aren’t sure the CFP Committee is really needed going forward with the next iteration (summarized that), so you can see exactly what’s going on. The Big Ten in general is still the one conference between the two that makes absolutely zero sense having four auto-bids if that’s what happens.

In almost no year is there four Big Ten teams worthy of that. Many years with two and three teams but four is a joke.

It makes them look like the Big Ten brass knows Big Ten football has always sucked.

The SEC doesn't need auto bids, they're obviously good. The Big 12 wouldn't need auto bids to get 7-10 teams in the NCAA basketball tournament, it's just obviously on a higher level (in part because SEC/Big Ten completely ignored basketball in their expansion).

Part of me would almost want the #4 Big Ten team in the playoff to get totally exposed by Big 12, ACC and even the best G5 team. It's completely unfair, but they'd get killed quite often, let alone if they had to play an SEC team.

 

[Clonehomer]

Yes we are. We are in the top division, and unless the Big Ten and SEC break off and form their own, we will remain in the top division. It’s no different than the English Premier League. Sure, Sunderland, Sheffield United, Leeds, and teams like that won’t win it all, but they are indeed in the top division.

The difference there is we actually have a playoff spot allocated to us. And we’ve never been on the same playing field as the Big Ten or SEC brass. That hasn’t changed. Do I enjoy what’s happening? Hell no, I think the Big Ten and SEC suck ass. Those two leagues could burn to the ground and I would joyfully celebrate.

So, do you think the American is at the same level then too? They have just as much opportunity for access as the Big12.

 

[HFCS]

The article was from last summer. Weeks before the Pac fell apart.

Oh, ok, I fell for the thread bump trap.

I am curious about how this new mini Pac is going to dredge up an 8th member. They must do it.

this is the latest of anything I can find from USA Today two days ago about search for #8
"The Mountain West is reportedly looking into Texas State, as well as Northern Illinois and Toledo from the Mid-American Conference, both of which would be football-only members. Schools like UTEP and New Mexico State remain as options for both conferences"

 

[1UNI2ISU]

It makes them look like the Big Ten brass knows Big Ten football has always sucked.

The SEC doesn't need auto bids, they're obviously good. The Big 12 wouldn't need auto bids to get 7-10 teams in the NCAA basketball tournament, it's just obviously on a higher level (in part because SEC/Big Ten completely ignored basketball in their expansion).

Part of me would almost want the #4 Big Ten team in the playoff to get totally exposed by Big 12, ACC and even the best G5 team. It's completely unfair, but they'd get killed

Michigan is, likely, the #4 Big Ten team this year. There isn't a world in which they, or any comparable Big Ten team from any other year, get 'exposed' by a Big 12, ACC or G5 team. This isn't a meaningless Cotton Bowl or the like.

 

[jctisu]

So, do you think the American is at the same level then too? They have just as much opportunity for access as the Big12.

Nope because their champion isn’t guaranteed to be the highest G5 team. Now, the Big 12 and and ACC are “technically” not either but don’t kid yourself, our conference champion will always be in under the current structure.

But still in a sense yes, the AAC and MWC are in the highest division because the highest their champion can go is to the CFP and win it all. By definition they are indeed in the highest division. North Dakota State is not no matter how much they win, they can NEVER compete for the FBS National Championship.

Just because something is almost never going to happen doesn’t mean they aren’t playing in the same division. Iowa State has never ever been in the same sandbox in FBS as the big dogs, and in the past even an undefeated Iowa State would struggle to get to play for the national championship. We actually would get that chance now.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

It makes them look like the Big Ten brass knows Big Ten football has always sucked.

The SEC doesn't need auto bids, they're obviously good. The Big 12 wouldn't need auto bids to get 7-10 teams in the NCAA basketball tournament, it's just obviously on a higher level (in part because SEC/Big Ten completely ignored basketball in their expansion).

Part of me would almost want the #4 Big Ten team in the playoff to get totally exposed by Big 12, ACC and even the best G5 team. It's completely unfair, but they'd get killed quite often, let alone if they had to play an SEC team.

You think the 4th best team in the big ten as currently constructed would get killed by the G5 or Big12 as currently constructed? I could see ACC if Clemson got hot and certainly any team can win but claiming “killed” quite often is a wild take.

 

[HFCS]

I don't actually hate the 4 B1G/SEC slots in a 14-team playoff. The reality is they would get those spots in a large majority of years anyway.

The current system makes it very difficult to imagine Ames ever hosting a playoff game. But in a 14-teamer, the Big 12 champion wouldn't get a bye. (I expect the B1G/SEC will also want to eliminate the seeding preference for ACC/Big 12 champions, but maybe not.)

4 B1G + 4 SEC + 3 B12/ACC/G5 = 11 bids locked up. One has to stay available for Notre Dame. I very much doubt the B1G and SEC would let the B12 and ACC each claim the last two. But maybe the B12 and ACC could negotiate that the highest ranked non-champion from those two leagues combined is guaranteed a bid.

In the current system there are 7 at large bids.

I'll buy 3/7 of those could/should be SEC teams. I don't buy that in almost any year 3/7 of the Big Ten are that good (on top of their champ already being in). It's probably happened but it has been a rare exception, even if you count the new additions.

European soccer runs a computer coefficient to determine bids into the European leagues. If the Big Ten are not scared frightened babies they should just advocate for that. I'm sure the SEC would like it, because they know they're good.

I'm a fan of an Italian team, some years they get 3 into Champions League, some 4 or 5. It's never a small biased committee deciding based on "feelings". It's hard data and leagues/conferences control it by actually winning.

 

[jctisu]

You think the 4th best team in the big ten as currently constructed would get killed by the G5 or Big12 as currently constructed? I could see ACC if Clemson got hot and certainly any team can win but claiming “killed” quite often is a wild take.

They could absolutely getting killed. Michigan is nothing special right now. Would they get killed? Maybe not. But we’ve seen crazier things and Michigan has major weaknesses.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

In the current system there are 7 at large bids.

I'll buy 3/7 of those could/should be SEC teams. I don't buy that in almost any year 3/7 of the Big Ten are that good (on top of their champ already being in). It's probably happened but it has been a rare exception, even if you count the new additions.

European soccer runs a computer coefficient to determine bids into the European leagues. If the Big Ten are not scared frightened babies they should just advocate for that. I'm sure the SEC would like it, because they know they're good.

I'm a fan of an Italian team, some years they get 3 into Champions League, some 4 or 5. It's never a small biased committee deciding based on "feelings". It's hard data and leagues/conferences control it by actually winning.

That computer thing is only for the lesser leagues, the premier league gets 4 in every year

 

[trevn]

Meh. Blow it all up. This is stupid.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

They could absolutely getting killed. Michigan is nothing special right now. Would they get killed? Maybe not. But we’ve seen crazier things and Michigan has major weaknesses.

100% Michigan with an entirely new coaching staff, new QB, and a lot of new pieces could totally lose. To say what he said that the 4th team would regularly get killed by the Big12 or G5 is just absurd. Yeah any team can lose but that’s just a wild take

 

[HFCS]

You think the 4th best team in the big ten as currently constructed would get killed by the G5 or Big12 as currently constructed? I could see ACC if Clemson got hot and certainly any team can win but claiming “killed” quite often is a wild take.

Yeah, i think with these 4 auto bids and none for anybody else it would create a false sense of superiority when in actuality the teams would probably be a coin flip. Not every time, but plenty of times, and enough to expose that the Big Ten doesn't actually "deserve" to have so many auto bids when they could just freaking earn them.

I'm talking about auto bids, not just getting 4/5 teams in if 4/5 teams deserve it.

Why are you afraid of just using a data coefficient like euro soccer does? If your conference is mind blowingly incredible you'll get a lot of bids, no worries unless you think it's a fraud.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Yeah, i think with these 4 auto bids and none for anybody else it would create a false sense of superiority when in actuality the teams would probably be a coin flip. Not every time, but plenty of times, and enough to expose that the Big Ten doesn't actually "deserve" to have so many auto bids when they could just freaking earn them.

I'm talking about auto bids, not just getting 4/5 teams in if 4/5 teams deserve it.

Why are you afraid of just using a data coefficient like euro soccer does? If your conference is mind blowingly incredible you'll get a lot of bids, no worries unless you think it's a fraud.

Where did I say I was afraid? I just pointed out that the computer ranking you discussed is only for the lesser leagues. Premier league gets 4 in every year.

The fact you think a G5 team could regularly kill a 4th place big ten is just insanity, the talent drop off in a game that matters is almost insurmountable

 

[MountainManHawk]

Michigan is, likely, the #4 Big Ten team this year. There isn't a world in which they, or any comparable Big Ten team from any other year, get 'exposed' by a Big 12, ACC or G5 team. This isn't a meaningless Cotton Bowl or the like.

I just looked it up and the 4th highest ranked team right now is USC, who just beat LSU on a neutral field.

But for the sake of argument, I actually agree with a lot of posters here that by the end of the season Michigan will likely be ranked lower. They don’t have a QB this year and (speaking from experience), it’s hard to have a good season with bad QB play.

 

[MeowingCows]

How long term are you talking? As long as the Big12 has a seat or preferably 2 seats at the table for the playoff ISU’s AD is fine. Taking your ball and going to try to make a playoff with the G5 is suicide.

The term is exactly as long as the B1G and SEC say it is, in conjunction with media reps. And clearly they're trying to shorten it by their recent commentary, since they want more than 8 of their 12 available seats to themselves...

"I think anything we can do to take the subjectivity of a committee off the table is really helpful," the SEC source said. "We may not be able to completely get rid of subjectivity the more we can minimize it. And so Tony Petitti's idea of multiple automatic spots for a conference has a lot of value. I'm not sure four is the right number."

That's not saying 4 is too many. It's saying that's not enough. 8 and 9 win P2 teams will be taking spots over 10-11 win teams from other conferences.

Notice how ISU's setting is not a consideration anywhere in there. It's not so much that the have-nots need to rebel and leave, but more that that have's need to align and go make their super league already. It's just a long, painful spell of bleeding until they finally drop out. Rip off the band-aid and let everyone else pick up the pieces now instead of later on.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I just looked it up and the 4th highest ranked team right now is USC, who just beat LSU on a neutral field.

But for the sake of argument, I actually agree with a lot of posters here that by the end of the season Michigan will likely be ranked lower. They don’t have a QB this year and (speaking from experience), it’s hard to have a good season with bad QB play.

They may not be great at QB but they still aren't getting 'exposed' by a B12, ACC, G5 team. Beat in a close game? Maybe. Exposed? No chance in hell.

 

[HFCS]

That computer thing is only for the lesser leagues, the premier league gets 4 in every year

It's for all teams. EPL is generally at or toward the top and but see recently Italy/Germany stole a spot they could have had and had an extra team. The point is it's based on performance, not a small group of some biased hacks.

The battle for extra Champions League places: Germany, Italy clinch spots

Germany and Italy will be rewarded with extra places in next season's Champions League as part of the 36-team competition revamp.

www.espn.com

OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL: Serie A receives fifth Champions League spot

The rest of Italy may have just done us a solid.

www.blackwhitereadallover.com

 

[FriendlySpartan]

The term is exactly as long as the B1G and SEC say it is, in conjunction with media reps. And clearly they're trying to shorten it by their recent commentary, since they want more than 8 of their 12 available seats to themselves...

That's not saying 4 is too many. It's saying that's not enough. 8 and 9 win P2 teams will be taking spots over 10-11 win teams from other conferences.

Notice how ISU's setting is not a consideration anywhere in there. It's not so much that the have-nots need to rebel and leave, but more that that have's need to align and go make their super league already. It's just a long, painful spell of bleeding until they finally drop out. Rip off the band-aid and let everyone else pick up the pieces now instead of later on.

It’s actually not say it’s not enough, it’s saying it’s not the right number. You can read into it how you want, and you may be right, but you’re still reading into it.

A super league isn’t happening and has no reason to as everyone just loses then

 

[FriendlySpartan]

It's for all teams. EPL is generally at or toward the top and but see recently Italy/Germany stole a spot they could have had and had an extra team. The point is it's based on performance, not a small group of some biased hacks.

The battle for extra Champions League places: Germany, Italy clinch spots

Germany and Italy will be rewarded with extra places in next season's Champions League as part of the 36-team competition revamp.

www.espn.com

OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL: Serie A receives fifth Champions League spot

The rest of Italy may have just done us a solid.

www.blackwhitereadallover.com

Oh these new rules I haven’t finalized myself with.

Go ahead and introduce those for cfb. I’m not sure if you’re gonna like the outcome. Same as when the premier league gets 7 spots the other leagues are going to be pissed

 

[HFCS]

Where did I say I was afraid? I just pointed out that the computer ranking you discussed is only for the lesser leagues. Premier league gets 4 in every year.

The fact you think a G5 team could regularly kill a 4th place big ten is just insanity, the talent drop off in a game that matters is almost insurmountable

Needing 4 auto bids in a 12 team tournament for a conference that has historically not even been that great outside of two teams is inherently fearful and insecure. Just earn it. It's being fearful to need the autobids, the committee or a computer ranking can give them 8 teams if 8 deserve it.

The G5 team beating them would be a year the 4th place team isn't that great...I mean before the recent additions Iowa was the common 4th place team. Yeah they would lose sometimes.