I wonder how much their front office actually believes they are anywhere close to contending for a title, despite what they've said publicly. More than anything, I think it was just a personality clash between Gar and Thibs and it just came down to two stubborn men who didn't like each other and it got to the point where there was no salvaging that relationship. I think they were just trying to justify why they fired one of the better coaches in the league more than anything else, but they certainly made Fred's job harder in the process.
Chicago Tribune Article on Fred & The Bulls
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I wonder how much their front office actually believes they are anywhere close to contending for a title, despite what they've said publicly. More than anything, I think it was just a personality clash between Gar and Thibs and it just came down to two stubborn men who didn't like each other and it got to the point where there was no salvaging that relationship. I think they were just trying to justify why they fired one of the better coaches in the league more than anything else, but they certainly made Fred's job harder in the process.
The Bulls gave Fred a guaranteed 5 year deal for this very reason. Of course publically they are going to say this team could "win now" but you'd have to be a Chicago sports fan to believe that line of garbage and inside of the team I guarantee they are working on how to completely retool that roster and get Derrick Rose out of his own head.
Probably best thing for Fred is a house cleaning that he gets caught in. Nba recycles and he would get a boatload while looking for another
I read a few more of his columns as well. For all I know he may be right about Hoiberg and the Bulls, but here is what else I learned:
- He appears to be the resident Chicago Tribune "everyone-is-stupid" Curmudgeon, and writes same article each time re: each team.
- He seems to have a very personal problem with the Bulls management cast.
- He really likes his "substitute teacher" tag of Hoiberg.
- He really likes to use the phrase "pantsing/pantsed". Must have had a rough time in Middle School
The same combo (bad mgmt + stupid players + Pansted!) appears to also frequently extend to his analysis of the Bears, Sox and Cubs via this Google search:
pantsed!:
https://www.google.com/search?q=pan...i57.3591j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8
substitute:
https://www.google.com/search?q=pan...ttp://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog
- He appears to be the resident Chicago Tribune "everyone-is-stupid" Curmudgeon, and writes same article each time re: each team.
- He seems to have a very personal problem with the Bulls management cast.
- He really likes his "substitute teacher" tag of Hoiberg.
- He really likes to use the phrase "pantsing/pantsed". Must have had a rough time in Middle School
The same combo (bad mgmt + stupid players + Pansted!) appears to also frequently extend to his analysis of the Bears, Sox and Cubs via this Google search:
pantsed!:
https://www.google.com/search?q=pan...i57.3591j0j1&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8
substitute:
https://www.google.com/search?q=pan...ttp://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog
Regardless of how much Fred hated recruiting he's going to be wishing he was back on the trail with the comforts of Ames waiting for him. Talking with friends in Chicago that are Bulls fans the hatred for Fred is HUGE right now. I guess he's getting booed in public. The view is Gar using Bulls to make a friend rich. Can't see how he or Gar survives a rebuild in Chicago.
Bulls starting 5 has to be one of the oldest in the NBA. Gasol (35), Dunleavy (35), Gibson (30), Rose (oldest 27 yr old in league...injuries), Butler (26).
Add in the fact that most of those guys have been injured throughout the year, and Fred's in a tough spot. They do need to step up now though. No excuses from here on out.
Add in the fact that most of those guys have been injured throughout the year, and Fred's in a tough spot. They do need to step up now though. No excuses from here on out.
Bulls fan and Chicago resident here. I don't think many expected a title. Management didn't do anything with the roster over the off season. It is the blown leads, playing down to bad teams, playing up to good teams and just bad basketball that bothers people (surprisingly, the Thunder lead the league in blown 4th quarter leads).
The team is made of has beens and nobodies. Jimmy Butler is good but he is not a player you build a team around. They would be a little better with Thibs, but not much. They need to blow it up now.
one would think that 3 straight games against bad teams (one of which had their own injury problems) would have been a wake up call. It's not like the Knicks and Orlando are any good.
maybe so. But then they shouldn't be surprised that the fans are ****** and the media is attacking.
I I do think most can agree that the Bulls have more talent even with injuries than the Knicks and Orlando. Most everyone was back for those 3 games.
This is just the Chicago media in general. There are a few that are decent, but it seems more than not, the whole bunch of them are just here to stir the pot. Jay Cutler, one day he's an Elite QB in the NFL, the next he's a bum who couldn't throw his way out of a wet paper bag. Thibs was a genius, then when they lost in the playoffs, he was a bum who overworked his players. Hell, they ran Ditka out of town, then a few years later were calling for him to come back.
I've said from the beginning of all of this "Fred to Chicago" talk that I wasn't sure if he realized what he was getting into. This town is one of the most jekyl and hyde cities when it comes to sports there is. They expect championships and with an aging, injury prone team, you could see these types of things coming from a mile away. I wonder if Fred was so blinded by his dream that he couldn't see what most every one else did. Hell, there were few fans and media who liked the hire from the start, let alone after the mess it's become.
I guess for $5 million a year I'd let you bash me in the media all you wanted. I just hope it isn't trickling down to his kids and them having to hear what a bum he is. They didn't sign up for this.
Bulls fans definitely seem to view Fred as someone who got the job because he was friends with Gar rather than somebody who earned it. To them, he was a journeyman player who was part of a bad front office in Minnesota and had limited success as a college coach.
Butler has been pedestrian since coming back from his knee injury. Actually probably worse than that. Gasol is beat up. And Rose is of course just ok most of the time. It will be interesting to see if Butler needs surgery. That will be yet another guy with injury problems. their management is so incompetent it's laughable.
