I believe the coaching experience thing is overrated in a lot of ways. Knowledge of the game and being able to motivate players are the most important things (after recruiting). I have a feeling Hoiberg has the ability to teach and motivate, recruiting will be the real test. If he can get the right players, I think ISU will be very competitive in the near future.
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Got to start somewhere. Why not as place that loves you? I think Freddy has been around basketball long enough to have caught on to some tricks of the trade by now.
Let us pretend that he is a huge success that puts ISU on the map forever. We will have him for 35-40 years. This is my vision. Trophies. Lots of them.
Let us pretend that he is a huge success that puts ISU on the map forever. We will have him for 35-40 years. This is my vision. Trophies. Lots of them.
Freddy has tons of basketball knowledge, he will get the job done, just like any business surround yourself with great people and you will also be great!!
Ignore for a moment his name is Fred Hoiberg (aka, The Mayor). Same exact resume, the names and school locations are blank.
So looking at that anonymous resume, you still think this is the right decision as a head coach?
So looking at that anonymous resume, you still think this is the right decision as a head coach?
I have heard a lot of people talk about McD's sets being too complex and actually handcuffing the players that know how to make things happen. Maybe having a coach come in without that foundation can be a good thing. Go out, get some good talent and let them play.
While I completely understand where you are coming from, you are forgetting that being Fred Hoiberg is part of the appeal, as opposed to another unnamed inexperienced coach.
He knows what he loved about Ames and can use that on recruits, he understands what the fans expect, and Hilton magic and how to bring it back.
I agree on the inexperienced part, but you can't look at it like you are doing.
Lets go here then....
Why is Fred deserving and the much beloved, has coaching experience and already on staff TJ not?
Tons of people here wanted TJ retained but not as a HC because of? Lack of experience! But now that we hired The Mayor, the desire for experience has gone out the window.
I think, as another poster mentioned in the other thread you were posting the same thing in, that his Timberwolves experience and couple of months as an NBA assistant under Dwane Casey is what did it. Plus, I think we've seen that your assistants can do part of the job, like get recruits (no recruits said they wanted to follow Mac, but only cared about TJ), but the head coach has to be the figurehead and run the different parts of the show.. I'm guessing his NBA management experience qualified him on that.
I really won't claim to know, I'm just trying to look at it from JP's perspective.
This is the number one point that people are missing. Instead, people are of the opinion "It's Fred Hoiberg - he can't possibly fail!"
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I would counter that the fact that Otz is a representation of G-Mac's regime, a regime that many were unhappy with, was as big, if not a bigger reason why fans weren't thrilled about the prospect of him being named coach.
Or people are willing to go into this era with an open mind, and aren't trying to count the losses before they even happen.
Your darn right coaching experience is overrated. Gmac had HC experience, Cheesedick had coaching experience, Alfraud had coaching experience and all were the hot commodity when they were hired at ISU/EIU. How well did that pan out?
Johnny Orr is pumped about the hire! He lives in Ames..... You don't think he is going to be helping Hoiberg regardless of if he is on staff or not? Same thing can be said of Hallihan (Orr's longtime assistant). Hoiberg grew up in Ames, his parents still live in Ames. He has wanted to be the head coach of ISU since he played here. That is a heck of a lot of incentive to do all he can to get this thing in the right direction and he has all sorts of support to help groom him into a great coach. Heck, Johnny even said he was coaching fellow players the whole time he was playing for Johnny.
Johnny Orr is pumped about the hire! He lives in Ames..... You don't think he is going to be helping Hoiberg regardless of if he is on staff or not? Same thing can be said of Hallihan (Orr's longtime assistant). Hoiberg grew up in Ames, his parents still live in Ames. He has wanted to be the head coach of ISU since he played here. That is a heck of a lot of incentive to do all he can to get this thing in the right direction and he has all sorts of support to help groom him into a great coach. Heck, Johnny even said he was coaching fellow players the whole time he was playing for Johnny.
Appreciate an actual coherent thought, instead of the shooting-the-messenger nonsense.
It's a fair point. But then I would go to Coach Nurse, who was just added as the associate head coach (or whatever his 5 minute title was).
Both of these men underwhelmed most everyone here as head coach because of the experience issues. Freddy gets announce and people are easily distracted by his playing days, forgetting they had expectations of a coach with college coaching experience.
Men with experience we hired...
Orr
Fennelly
Rhoads
Floyd
LE
Etc.
Is experience everything? Absolutely not. I agree with you 100% there.
But I firmly believe there needs to be a balance. Some experience should exist to take a top job. The fact that it seems obvious experienced coaches that were interested didn't even get a look is very puzzling.
I hope Fred/JP have a ringer assistant in their back pocket they are ready to announce.
So what changed in 48 hours where the temperature of the fan base was that McDermott's replacement had to have at least some experience at the major conference level, had to be a proven coach at the D-I level, and had to have had some success in the NCAA Tournament?
I'll tell you what happened - all objectivity flew out the window as soon as the name "Fred Hoiberg" was mentioned. Now it matters not what our expectations for a replacement coach were 48 hours ago, because "Hoiberg ***** excellence and all things he touches turn to gold" despite the fact he has never proven any of that. In other words, JP's PR stunt (and that's basically what it boils down to) worked flawlessly with the biggest cardinal-shade-wearing, Kool-Aid drinking members of this fan base.
Look, I absolutely hope this works, because if it does, ISU basketball is set for the next quarter century. But what the absolute blind loyalists just do not see is the deck is so stacked against Hoiberg at this point that he would HAVE to be the man for this to work.
Now ask yourself this - what happens if this DOESN'T work? How do you go about firing ISU's second biggest legend?
