Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

[MeowingCows]

I'm sure there maybe some other reason for not calling it a SIP, but the 2 reasons that come to mind are 1. If we stay below hospital capacity throughout this whole thing she comes out the other side smelling like a rose since she didn't put a SIP (in name only) in place. 2. She doesn't believe what we or any other state is doing is truly a SIP which would be more like a lock down, and why call a round ball square even though everyone else is doing it.

1.) That's just a personal responsibility dodge then. Doing too much in a time like this is definitely preferable to not doing enough ...especially when they're literally the same thing. It's nonsense.

2.) We aren't the round ball in this scenario, we are the square. We're supposedly doing exactly what every other round ball is doing, but pretending to be square instead.

 

[mywayorcyway]

Why are the number of cases so much higher in the US than in any other country? The numbers I see at the moment are nearly 400k cases in the US, or more than 1/4 of the known cases in the world. There are only four countries over 100k.

Why are the numbers like they are? Does the US do more testing or have better reporting? Are other countries truly that far behind us in total numbers or is this just a reporting thing? Did it just take that much longer for the virus to begin propagating in other countries?

 

[FOREVERTRUE]

1.) That's just a personal responsibility dodge then. Doing too much in a time like this is definitely preferable to not doing enough ...especially when they're literally the same thing. It's nonsense.

2.) We aren't the round ball in this scenario, we are the square. We're supposedly doing exactly what every other round ball is doing, but pretending to be square instead.

Depends on how you look at it. Just the mental picture I have of what Shelter In Place means is a lock down no one goes outside for any reason besides people truly needed outside police, military etc... Not saying this is right, wrong or indifferent, but if everyone is calling something by the wrong name (which many have even mentioned NY and others aren't doing enough even while calling it a SIP) then why cow to the mob and not call it what you believe it to be. I honestly don't know the reason she is not calling it a SIP, but I don't believe anyone has a true SIP from what I would call it.

 

[isutrevman]

In the grand scheme of things, no, but it's certainly interesting when asked the specific question as to why she's not using any sort of phrasing as other states have, she talks around the question.

I can see the questioning continuing with something like this:

Reporter: "Why aren't you calling it a shelter-in-place?"
Reynolds: "We are not calling it a shelter in place because it's not a shelter in place"
Reporter: "Other states have issued a shelter in place, why not Iowa"?
Reynolds: "We have the same restrictions as those other states"
Reporter: ""Why aren't you calling it a shelter-in-place?"

Repeat on and on until the end of time.

 

[Acylum]

Why are the number of cases so much higher in the US than in any other country? The numbers I see at the moment are nearly 400k cases in the US, or more than 1/4 of the known cases in the world. There are only four countries over 100k.

Why are the numbers like they are? Does the US do more testing or have better reporting? Are other countries truly that far behind us in total numbers or is this just a reporting thing? Did it just take that much longer for the virus to begin propagating in other countries?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html

 

[isutrevman]

People complained because it made us look like inbred hicks who didn't care about what's going on until it was too late, which should matter to people who don't like being labelled as inbred hicks. Now, we're pretty caught up in terms of policy to other, similar states.

At this point, it's even less sensical that, according to the top health official in the country, we are doing a SIP but our governor simply refuses to accept that point for reasons nobody, not even she, can explain.

Initially we were told we weren't doing a SIP 'cuz it wasn't needed. Then we were told were basically doing the same thing, but not really, but basically. Then we are told we are doing the same thing, but just won't call it that. The same people who initially said we don't need a SIP have now seemlessly transitioned to saying we've been doing one the whole time. How does that mental gymnastics work?

How about we just fix the messaging outright at the source, who is the governor, and stop the confusion altogether? Yes, it's a silly argument, but on the outside it still...makes us look like inbred hicks with dips*** leadership who's being a stubborn prick about something stupid for literally no reason and no gain whatsoever.

We've had enough bad publicity after the caucus f***ups, let's not gather more with this idiocy. It's not hard to see why people would be upset with poor messaging related to how we are handling this compared to other states or at the federal level.

In other words, it doesn't matter what it's called and complaining about it it a huge waste of time.

 

[MeowingCows]

Depends on how you look at it. Just the mental picture I have of what Shelter In Place means is a lock down no one goes outside for any reason besides people truly needed outside police, military etc... Not saying this is right, wrong or indifferent, but if everyone is calling something by the wrong name (which many have even mentioned NY and others aren't doing enough even while calling it a SIP) then why cow to the mob and not call it what you believe it to be. I honestly don't know the reason she is not calling it a SIP, but I don't believe anyone has a true SIP from what I would call it.

What's you're describing isn't in practice anywhere at all, SIP or not. That's a total lockdown.

Fauci has directly stated that what we are doing right now is functionally the same as a SIP in other states, just without the name. There is no meaningful difference. Reynolds was in agreement with this assessment.

So why not just call it what it is, instead of fumbling the messaging around it continuously? It would be easier on her, easier on the citizens, easier on literally everyone involved.

 

[Urbandale2013]

1.) That's just a personal responsibility dodge then. Doing too much in a time like this is definitely preferable to not doing enough ...especially when they're literally the same thing. It's nonsense.

2.) We aren't the round ball in this scenario, we are the square. We're supposedly doing exactly what every other round ball is doing, but pretending to be square instead.

We are absolutely the round ball and other states are the square. A shelter in place means exactly that. Sheltering in place. All states still have movement. It isn’t normal movement but there is still plenty of movement.

 

[MeowingCows]

In other words, it doesn't matter what it's called and complaining about it it a huge waste of time.

It's almost like people appreciate consistent messaging and tactful leadership (at all levels -- local, state, federal, etc). Obviously some others, such as yourself, are apathetic to this.

 

[FOREVERTRUE]

What's you're describing isn't in practice anywhere at all, SIP or not. That's a total lockdown.

Fauci has directly stated that what we are doing right now is functionally the same as a SIP in other states, just without the name. There is no meaningful difference. Reynolds was in agreement with this assessment.

So why not just call it what it is, instead of fumbling the messaging around it continuously? It would be easier on her, easier on the citizens, easier on literally everyone involved.

Does it matter if that is what is in place any where else if that is what the definition is?

 

[MeowingCows]

We are absolutely the round ball and other states are the square. A shelter in place means exactly that. Sheltering in place. All states still have movement. It isn’t normal movement but there is still plenty of movement.

So we are the normal ones and the other ~80% of the country with similar goals, policy and messaging are the odd ones out? That's quite a stretch to make.

I wish Reynolds would explain these points as concisely as you can.

 

[MeowingCows]

Does it matter if that is what is in place any where else if that is what the definition is?

If it's not happening anywhere else, that means your definition/imagination is wrong.

Again, consistent and logical messaging...

 

[FOREVERTRUE]

It's almost like people appreciate consistent messaging and tactful leadership (at all levels -- local, state, federal, etc). Obviously some others, such as yourself, are apathetic to this.

This I fully agree with, but I don't think what other states have is a true SIP whether they call it that or not.

 

[MeowingCows]

This I fully agree with, but I don't think what other states have is a true SIP whether they call it that or not.

Here's the short version: I think it's ******** that we are pretending to be something we're not. We're doing the exact same things (now, we weren't before) that everyone else is doing, but just calling it a different name for no apparent reason and for no apparent gain. To me, that's a sign of weak leadership beholden to something they're trying to hide from us.

Explain to me why this opinion is bad.

 

[Urbandale2013]

If it's not happening anywhere else, that means your definition/imagination is wrong.

Again, consistent and logical messaging...

Words have definitions. Shelter in Place isn’t built around a pandemic response. Shelter in Place is more geared to Hurricanes, Tornados, etc. states have perverted that definition over the last month. That doesn’t automatically change the definition.

 

[FOREVERTRUE]

If it's not happening anywhere else, that means your definition/imagination is wrong.

Again, consistent and logical messaging...

shelter definition: protect or shield from something harmful, especially bad weather.

in place definition: not traveling any distance.

By definition I am correct. Now if you want to change definition, or change it to Shelter with Limited Travel then yes.

 

[clonerules]

Why are the number of cases so much higher in the US than in any other country? The numbers I see at the moment are nearly 400k cases in the US, or more than 1/4 of the known cases in the world. There are only four countries over 100k.

Why are the numbers like they are? Does the US do more testing or have better reporting? Are other countries truly that far behind us in total numbers or is this just a reporting thing? Did it just take that much longer for the virus to begin propagating in other countries?

We have a much higher population. It's really that simple. Look at the cases per 1million. We are actually fairing better than most countries with higher populations.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

 

[MeowingCows]

Words have definitions. Shelter in Place isn’t built around a pandemic response. Shelter in Place is more geared to Hurricanes, Tornados, etc. states have perverted that definition over the last month. That doesn’t automatically change the definition.

So you're suggesting we make a better term for what were trying to do. Because a SIP, officially, also does not refer to a full lockdown, either, which a lot of people seem to have in their heads.

I tend to agree with the idea that we don't really have a status for what exactly is going on, and SIP was more or less co-opted for this use, largely due to lack of a better term.

 

[MeowingCows]

shelter definition: protect or shield from something harmful, especially bad weather.

in place definition: not traveling any distance.

By definition I am correct. Now if you want to change definition, or change it to Shelter with Limited Travel then yes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelter_in_place

"Erroneously used in place of a more-accurate lockdown"

 

[Cy$]

It's baffling at this point. It's now clear there's an underlying reason as to why she's not, but no one knows that reason and will likely never know.

stick it to the dems