Cy-Hawk Game Discussion

ZRF

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Agree on UNI being well coached and having been worse. I guess my grade is in part it felt like a very Tom Manning game plan.

Which is fine, but then, if you're going to have a Tom Manning game plan, why not have Tom Manning? I guess that was my biggest confusion.

I get protecting young quarterbacks and being vanilla. But it almost looked like at times in terms of play selection we got rid of Manning and then used his call sheet.

Our best drives were drives where we mixed in the outside zone or the buck sweep - that first run I literally leapt out of the chair with excitement when we hit on the perimeter and it looked like we pulled or did a wide reach. I was like, "yes!" then we preceeded to run inside zone 45 billion times Lol.


If we're going to win Saturday and I hope to high chickens we do - but we're going to have to probably pass for north of 150. Unless we are able to run effectively. And I don't know if 5-6 yard passes to the TE is going to cut it.

We utilized more play action, actually snapped it under center (notably on the sneak) and had improved protection schemes and splits at the line.

But yes, there were still too many Manning moments. We have never had or shown we've had the personnel to run the WR screens with any sort of consistency yet we still run them. It's usually a ceded down to the opposition and we are fortunate not go backwards on half of those plays. Please get that out of the play book.

Even more important is the receiver routes and depths, ie the route trees of the offense. For years we have done a terrible job at utilizing and making defenses defend the entire field. We constantly have receivers running mid routes at teh same depth making us easy to defend. What's more as we have rarely shown the ability to protect for the type of routes we run. Our QBs are under duress in 2-3 seconds and they have nowhere to throw the ball.

We have a young QB and I'd like to see more utilizing of the middle of the field...some quick slants and crosses, as well as more misdirection. I really liked the deep shots we took last game and REALLY liked Bechts ability to see the field and throw on the run. Let's create some time with some ingenuity and give him some easy throws that get VERTICAL yards.

There were encouraging signs but it wasn't perfect. We will need more diversity and creativity against Iowa.
 
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From randy P:

"....Eli Sanders was injured against Northern Iowa. He might not even play on Saturday...."


I thought CW said Iowa State came away with no injuries on his pod last sunday.

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One of the photos Cyclone FB shared on Instagram was of Eli running the ball in practice. Or so it appears.
 

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ISU needs to build a lead as early as possible, preferably double-digits. If Iowa has to play from behind, we should have a major advantage.

Playing with a lead helps against any opponent, of course, but it's especially big the way these teams' game approach is structured.


Also a lot of their scoring is pick 6. If we don't to throw the ball much that eliminates that possibility
 

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My biggest concern with our offense isn't running the ball, getting open looks, or QB protection, it's running quick hitting routes that could be jumped by Iowa DB/LB for pick 6s. INTs on deep balls don't concern me as much, because our defense can still stop them. We ran a lot of those short routes against UNI, and while Rocco's release was super quick and pinpoint to where they needed to be, that's my biggest concern at this point.
 
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Also a lot of their scoring is pick 6. If we don't to throw the ball much that eliminates that possibility
So we need to build a lead early with safe deep passes and not throw interceptions. Got it. We'll put that in the Game Plan AI.
 

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So, I disagree. Not that you are wrong

A) That's what every team in America can say other than those who lose by 30-50. If that would have happened, or this etc... Iowa dropped a pick 6. Clemson had what, 4-5 drives end in no points in Duke territory? So you're not wrong but everyone can say that. So I don't put a ton of faith in that.

B) We got stuffed repeatedly in the goal line before that 4th down sneak.

C) We have a massive OL, a big physical RB and we failed to wear down a smaller FCS team on a hot day with 900 Tight ends as well. Vanilla or not, that's not extremely encouraging.

D) By game plan or personnel or both, we still have zero twitch on the perimeter. Noel is fast, and a very, very good receiver. But I wouldn't call him twitchy. Bitter is reliable. Stanley is fast. But they're more track fast. I don't see a Milton pre injury or a JJ Moses or even Landen Akers. Where we can throw a simple bubble and he might shake a guy for 20-30 yards any time.

I'd say we were average. We had drives and moments where we were above, drives and moments where we were below.

IDK for sure if average is going to be good enough to get to a bowl game. It might be if ST continues to operate at a high level but if ST drops or slips up or defense has a rare bad game, all of which will probably happen over the course of a season...


we're going to need IMO to be C+ to B- over 12 games on offense to go bowling.
I think Saturday we were a solid C.


And that's not bad with young quarterbacks. And there was plenty of promise even.

But personally I can't say we were good on offense. Because my eyeballs tell me otherwise but that's just my own personal opinion and everyone's entitled to that

Relative to what I was expecting, which was total ineptitude, a C is fantastic.
 

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No idea how it would have turned out if he hadnt fallen, but he was flat out beaten either way. He would have been open by 10 yards instead of 15.
It really doesn't matter since it was a well thrown ball, but the defender fell down essentially right when the ball was thrown and he was likely 4-5 yards behind the receiver right when he fell. Thing is, is that the safety on that side was the one who blew the coverage. He, for whatever reason, went over the top on the tight end's dig route, which already had the middle linebacker sitting right there. Double move by Seth Anderson made the defender stumble and it was blouses. Good read and a good throw. That's a TD essentially 9/10 times. Last year that's likely 8 yards over the WRs head.

The annoying thing isn't about Iowa it's about how Iowa State beating UNI by 21 isn't good enough for some media. Iowa State's offense wasn't earth shattering but it was efficient, against a team that we've recently struggled with.
 

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Anyone got connections to people managing the hotel where Iowa will stay Friday night? Renumber Brian's room to Room # 25.
Oh my god that'd be funny. I think the opposing team stays at the Hilton Garden Inn in West Ames.
 

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I think he's asking an Iowa fan if he does since big ten games arean't on it and he thought our games were on the LHN. He's outting his own trolling.
Is it too late to get the LHN? :D

Yes. Yes, it is!
 
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Lots of great stuff in here to get rivalry juices going. I love when they compare defenses and don't realize ISU's was ranked nearly as high nationally as Iowa last year in spite of playing a better schedule with better offenses.

Did you know Iowa was clearly the better team last year even though they only had 150 yards of offense and lost?

 

Clonehomer

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ISU needs to build a lead as early as possible, preferably double-digits. If Iowa has to play from behind, we should have a major advantage.

Playing with a lead helps against any opponent, of course, but it's especially big the way these teams' game approach is structured.

I don’t think they need to get to a lead early as much as they need to avoid getting down early. We just need to avoid letting Iowa get comfortable with being conservative on offense. As long as the game is close or ISU is leading, they can’t do that and hopefully will make mistakes.