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I have made numerous statements about how impressed I am with ISU and Hoiberg especially. They just don't stand out from the hundreds of other posts from ISU fans saying the exact same thing so you don't recall them. No biggie. People only hit the "reply" button on things they see as a slight to ISU. It's natural to defend your turf, I get it. Those posts stick in your brain more because they stand out from the boring, repetitive drone of "Go 'Clones!" posts.
People notice it because you are kind of a tool and while you are complimenting Iowa State you are doing it in a backhanded way.
I don't like Kansas. I don't like Kansas fans. I kind of wish you would find another board to post on.
So an article is not substantive if it is negative? I don't think there is much of anything you can disagree with in that article. Also, don't you find it a bit "conspiracy theorist" to claim that ESPN wrote this article as part of a grander scheme to troll the Cyclone fanbase and to bring only negative light on us? I don't see where ESPN is under any obligation to only publish pieces that place us in a positive light.
Anyone who has watched this team recently knows we are slumping. While we've won 4 out of 5, it's hard to feel real confident about how this team is playing. No one is saying we are on the bubble or anything like that, but rather just pointing out that our offense isn't quite what it was the last few years...which is true. I guess I can't see what there is to argue about.
Bingo. How many minutes have Niang, Ejim, and Kane been playing lately? In conference play Kane is averaging just shy of 37 minutes per game, Ejim just shy of 33 minutes per game (and only due to foul trouble are those numbers even reasonable), and Niang is averaging just shy of 32 minutes per game (and only due to foul trouble are those numbers even reasonable).
Hell... in the 3OT game in Stillwater out of a total of 55 minutes available to play per player Kane played 52 minutes, Morris played 52 minutes, Ejim played 45 (sat for quite a bit in 2nd half due to foul trouble), Hogue 42, and Niang 33 (because he fouled out in regulation). Then people wondered why the team looked a bit flat against TCU and even worse at West Virginia on short rest?
Well that is all you do over here. You de-rail threads that have nothing to do with Kansas. Go do it somewhere else. Nobody gives 1 **** about ku fan's opinion.
I don't equate substantive and positive; an article can absolutely be both negative and substantive. If you read my original message, you'll see why I don't think it's a very substantive article (here it is: http://cyclonefanatic.com/forum/mens-basketball/184567-espn-article-2.html#post3878769).
I'm also not claiming that this article was written as a "conspiracy theory" to make Iowa State look bad, but that it exhibits a lot of the traits of content written to maximize page views. It's lazy analysis at best or clickbait at worst, but either way, it's junk.
Again, you really think that ESPN wrote an article about Iowa State struggling in order to maximize page views? You really think that an article about the #17 team in the nation's recent struggles is put out there because of the viewship it will bring in?
I, for one, am glad this article is out there because it means we a relevant. The only reason ESPN would be writing about our slumps is if we are a legtimate contender. A few years ago, we didn't have to worry about what ESPN was writing about us because we weren't writing about. I take this as a good sign.
Here's the thing about this argument that we seem to be having. And probably some of it is some misunderstanding on my part.
But the people that are ******** about this team right now act like this is a team that is about 40th in the country. That's the feeling I get from reading some of these posts.
I can understand finding faults with this team (AND with just about EVERY team). But the fact is that Iowa State to this point has played like a top 20 team all year long. That's freaking awesome! That doesn't happen much here. It didn't happen last year or with Royce (and those were 2 great teams). We should be celebrating that this team has through 24 games, played with the best in the country. That's pretty damn cool.
And instead we have fans complaining about every last thing. Enjoy it.
But the people that are ******** about this team right now act like this is a team that is about 40th in the country. That's the feeling I get from reading some of these posts.
I can understand finding faults with this team (AND with just about EVERY team). But the fact is that Iowa State to this point has played like a top 20 team all year long. That's freaking awesome! That doesn't happen much here. It didn't happen last year or with Royce (and those were 2 great teams). We should be celebrating that this team has through 24 games, played with the best in the country. That's pretty damn cool.
And instead we have fans complaining about every last thing. Enjoy it.
Here's the thing about this argument that we seem to be having. And probably some of it is some misunderstanding on my part.
But the people that are ******** about this team right now act like this is a team that is about 40th in the country, a team that is currently a bubble team. That's the feeling I get from reading some of these posts.
I can understand finding faults with this team (AND with just about EVERY team). But the fact is that Iowa State to this point has played like a top 20 team all year long. That's freaking awesome! That doesn't happen much here. It didn't happen last year or with Royce (and those were 2 great teams). We should be celebrating that this team has through 24 games, played with the best in the country. That's pretty damn cool.
And instead we have fans complaining about every last thing. Enjoy it.
But the people that are ******** about this team right now act like this is a team that is about 40th in the country, a team that is currently a bubble team. That's the feeling I get from reading some of these posts.
I can understand finding faults with this team (AND with just about EVERY team). But the fact is that Iowa State to this point has played like a top 20 team all year long. That's freaking awesome! That doesn't happen much here. It didn't happen last year or with Royce (and those were 2 great teams). We should be celebrating that this team has through 24 games, played with the best in the country. That's pretty damn cool.
And instead we have fans complaining about every last thing. Enjoy it.
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Uh, yes. This is a pretty common thing. Google the phrases "clickbait" and "page view journalism".
Do the people jumping on this guy really think we've looked great these last few weeks? 4-1 is an amazing outcome considering how bad this team has looked for stretches. If they play like this in March, they could leave the party early just as easily as they could make a run.
I don't have a problem with this article at all. Actually I think it is a compliment to where we are as a program.
We are 4 and 1 in our last 5. They have have not been smooth. We haven't been playing great. But I think it shows, most people expected us to be 5 and 0 and it should have looked pretty, because we are that good. It is awesome that we are getting articles like this written now, it just shows how good we are. They don't write articles about crappy teams.
Also I think we should lay off two coach. Iowa fans and Kansas fans only troll our boards when we are a threat or are better than them. Hopefully we will get some syracuse fans trolling us in March!
We are 4 and 1 in our last 5. They have have not been smooth. We haven't been playing great. But I think it shows, most people expected us to be 5 and 0 and it should have looked pretty, because we are that good. It is awesome that we are getting articles like this written now, it just shows how good we are. They don't write articles about crappy teams.
Also I think we should lay off two coach. Iowa fans and Kansas fans only troll our boards when we are a threat or are better than them. Hopefully we will get some syracuse fans trolling us in March!
I see your point, but I think one can look at our flaws without "complaining about every last thing." Last year's team was frustrating, but you knew if we made it to the tournament we would be very dangerous. With this year's team, while we've had continued success it's easy to see we can really struggle to guard sometimes, and that we can't rely on our shooting the way we have in the past. I think you can find a medium where you are happy abou the accomplishments but guarded about the team's potential unless some things get figured out.
To each their own, but it is clear that this year's team is better on defense than last year's team.
I'm not sure that we aren't putting on rose colored glasses when thinking about last year's team too. They didn't pull out the close games that this years team has. They played in a weaker Big 12 conference and in the same games we've played this year, this year's team is +1 (wins at Oklahoma State and at Texas Tech minus a loss at West Virginia). In addition, last year's team blew large leads twice against West Virginia (much like we did against Texas Tech on Saturday) of 18 and 30ish.
Again, it was written because the ISU-Texas game he was commenting on is being played on ESPN2 tomorrow.
Like most of Hoiberg's teams they have formed a habit of playing to the stage. Hopefully, like Hoiberg's previous teams, they will be playing their best basketball in the NCAA tournament. I would like this team to be peaking in three and half weeks. No team can play lights out basketball throughout an entire conference season.
