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[CyTwins]

None of those offers are overwhelmingly impressive, with the best being Xavier and Mizzou. Temple isn't bad.

Texas Tech hasn't had a winning record in conference play since Bob Knight stepped down. They haven't won more than five conference games since 2007-08.

Providence was arguably the worst team in the Big East. BC has had three straight losing seasons and wasn't anything special for several years before that. Northwestern has NEVER made the tournament. And Iowa? Well, you've spent all day making it out like Iowa will offer anybody, since they have so many scholarship guys who wouldn't play anywhere else.

I never said they were impressive offers, they are just impressive compared to the other guys I mentioned

 

[VeloClone]

None of those offers are overwhelmingly impressive, with the best being Xavier and Mizzou. Temple isn't bad.

Texas Tech hasn't had a winning record in conference play since Bob Knight stepped down. They haven't won more than five conference games since 2007-08.

Providence was arguably the worst team in the Big East. BC has had three straight losing seasons and wasn't anything special for several years before that. Northwestern has NEVER made the tournament. And Iowa? Well, you've spent all day making it out like Iowa will offer anybody, since they have so many scholarship guys who wouldn't play anywhere else.

Good job covering your bases there, because I was ready to pounce.:th_wink:

 

[tm3308]

You're comparing a player that averaged 31 minutes/game 8.8 shots/game to a player who averaged 16 minutes/game and shot the ball 3.8 times/game. Cmon man.

Bubu Palo played 12.5 mpg last year for ISU (all of which came after the start of Big 12 play). Yet Clemmons wouldn't have sniffed the floor? Give me a ******* break.

Maybe you can wrap your head around that comparison and realize that your contention is complete crap.

 

[CycloneVet]

Bubu Palo played 12.5 mpg last year for ISU (all of which came after the start of Big 12 play). Yet Clemmons wouldn't have sniffed the floor? Give me a ******* break.

Go away

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Bubu Palo played 12.5 mpg last year for ISU (all of which came after the start of Big 12 play). Yet Clemmons wouldn't have sniffed the floor? Give me a ******* break.

A healthy and rust -ree Bubu was a better all-around player than Clemmons last year. Do you not recall Bubu against the hawks in 2011?

 

[CyTwins]

Bubu Palo played 12.5 mpg last year for ISU (all of which came after the start of Big 12 play). Yet Clemmons wouldn't have sniffed the floor? Give me a ******* break.

Maybe you can wrap your head around that comparison and realize that your contention is complete crap.

Bubu wasn't very good but he was still better than Clemmons. He got to the line when they needed him to and didn't turn the ball over.

 

[keepngoal]

Bubu wasn't very good but he was still better than Clemmons. He got to the line when they needed him to and didn't turn the ball over.

That is the definition of a role player... maybe thats why he is using the comparison?

 

[tm3308]

A healthy and rust -ree Bubu was a better all-around player than Clemmons last year. Do you not recall Bubu against the hawks in 2011?

I'm not saying Bubu was terrible. I liked watching him play quite a bit. But if he were so drastically better than Clemmons, there's no way Clemmons would have been even remotely effective against the likes of Indiana, OSU, etc.

 

[CyTwins]

I'm not saying Bubu was terrible. I liked watching him play quite a bit. But if he were so drastically better than Clemmons, there's no way Clemmons would have been even remotely effective against the likes of Indiana, OSU, etc.

Against Indiana he was 2-11 from the floor with 8 assists and 6 TOs
Against Ohio State he was 3-9 from the floor with 3 assists and 2 TOs

 

[CyJack13]

Bubu wasn't very good but he was still better than Clemmons. He got to the line when they needed him to and didn't turn the ball over.

Bubu actually had a 27.6% TO rate last year, which is terrible. Although not quite as bad as Clemmons 29.8% TO rate, which was 3rd worst in the B10.

 

[CyTwins]

Bubu actually had a 27.6% TO rate last year, which is terrible. Although not quite as bad as Clemmons 29.8% TO rate, which was 3rd worst in the B10.

How do they calculate that? I figured the difference would be more than that considering Bubu avged 0.8 TOs a game compared to Clemmons 1.7. Clemmons did avg 4 mins more per game though

 

[Max57]

The Cyclones played like crap in IC last year. Lucious had a ton of turnovers and the Hawks won. It hurt. Then we went to the NCAAs, smoked Notre Dame, and played well but lost against the Buckeyes in arguably a poorly officiated last 2 minutes.

I don't care one bit about last year's backup point guard's stats from either team -- or that of the player 7, 8, or 9. The Cyclones ended the season the better team. Hopefully we win tonight and that trend continues.

 

[CyJack13]

How do they calculate that? I figured the difference would be more than that considering Bubu avged 0.8 TOs a game compared to Clemmons 1.7. Clemmons did avg 4 mins more per game though

Percentage of possessions used which end in turnovers.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Against Indiana he was 2-11 from the floor with 8 assists and 6 TOs
Against Ohio State he was 3-9 from the floor with 3 assists and 2 TOs

On a not so good team with few guards, someone has to play.

Clemmons was decent for a ho-hum, freshman recruit, but I am taking a healthy and rust-free Bubu over him. At least in 2012-13.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Percentage of possessions used which end in turnovers.

Which is also largely a factor of who you are playing with (and when). Bubu had to use Big 12 competition, sometimes with guys like Gibson, to work is way back.

 

[CyJack13]

Which is also largely a factor of who you are playing with (and when). Bubu had to use Big 12 competition, sometimes with guys like Gibson, to work is way back.

It's just measuring Bubu's turnovers, Gibson's, or anyone else's, turnovers aren't factored into his TO rating.

 

[im4cyclones]

They've got six guys capable of going off for 20 points on any given night (Marble, White, Basabe, Uthoff, Gesell, McCabe) and three more capable of getting 15 (Olaseni, Clemmons and Jok). Makes it pretty tough to shut the offense down; I mean, you're not going to just ignore Marble and White if they're having an off night when Gesell and McCabe are hot.

When you say "going off for 20", do you mean a 20oz soda? Cause I agree, any of those guys could easily get a Mt. Dew from Casey's. As for scoring points in a basketball game, not sure what demonstrates the ability to "go off for 20" because Basabe, Gesell, and McCabe haven't done it this year. And they didn't do it last year. By that logic, our entire roster is capable of "going off for 20"

White is way more likely to score <10 points on a given night than 20 points. We ain't Maryland-Eastern Shore.

Basically, the only player that scares anyone is Marble. The rest = role players

 

[tm3308]

Against Indiana he was 2-11 from the floor with 8 assists and 6 TOs
Against Ohio State he was 3-9 from the floor with 3 assists and 2 TOs

He played 20.4 mpg against teams that made the tournament last year. In those games, he averaged 6.2 ppg, 3.7 apg, 2.1 TO, shot 35.6% from the floor (not that far from his season average) and 2.7 rpg.

Bubu, against teams that made the field of 68, played 13 mpg. He averaged 1.9 ppg, 1.6 apg, 0.7 TOpg, shot 41.6% (on just 12 attempts) and 1.5 rpg. If you multiply all of those numbers by 1.57 (to equal Clemmons' minutes), he only holds an edge over Clemmons in rebounding and turnovers.

None of those numbers scream superstar, but again, I've never said Clemmons was one. But a guy who can put up numbers like that (the only one that's bad is the TO number) against MSU (2x), Indiana (2x), Wisconsin (2x), Minnesota (2x), Michigan, Illinois, Ohio State, Iowa State and Wichita State, is hardly a garbage player. He's a solid role player who put up as good or better numbers as Bubu, while playing against very similar (if not better) competition.

 

[Tank]

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