Floyd and LE guard play

[lmsoup]

Remember those 2-3 years with TF and LE where our gaurds were just aweful? Lee Love, Paris Corner...those names come to mind. God that was hard to watch.

This team isn't that bad...more inexperienced than bad. Those dudes were bad and inexperienced. :wideeyed:

 

[ajjohnson]

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Remember those 2-3 years with TF and LE where our gaurds were just aweful? Lee Love, Paris Corner...those names come to mind. God that was hard to watch.

This team isn't that bad...more inexperienced than bad. Those dudes were bad and inexperienced. :wideeyed:

2-3 years? I just remember the one year that was Larry's first and featured a weak backcourt since TF didn't leave much talent behind in that position (Nurse was the only decent guard). Larry fixed the problem immediately with two jucos that were our best backcourt of all time. Other than that one year I don't think we ever had a backcourt this bad in the Floyd-Eustachy-Morgan years (counting Wesley as a small forward.) We always had a combination of least Sullivan, Barnes, Power, Haluska, Stinson, Blalock. I wouldn't say our backcourt was ever quite as bad as the last 2 years though. We did have a few terrible frontcourts. Lets hope our guard talent changes in a big way next year with the additions and more experience.

 

[cyclonepower]

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Larrys last year we were horrible

 

[ripvdub]

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Tinsley was great, but Kantrail Horton wasnt anything special. Tinsley made him look decent. The supposed best back court ever was 90% Tinsley.

 

[EggMcClone]

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I think you're underestimating Kantrail a little bit.

 

[ajjohnson]

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Tinsley was great, but Kantrail Horton wasnt anything special. Tinsley made him look decent. The supposed best back court ever was 90% Tinsley.

Supposed best back court? Of course Tinsley was better than Horton. It was still probably the best defensive back court in the country, and one of the best in the country overall. Since you are so quick to put down Horton I am guessing you don't understand or watch much defensive basketball. Lets hear a better ISU backcourt then since you are so quick to disagree?

 

[ripvdub]

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Supposed best back court? Of course Tinsley was better than Horton. It was still probably the best defensive back court in the country, and one of the best in the country overall. Since you are so quick to put down Horton I am guessing you don't understand or watch much defensive basketball. Lets hear a better ISU backcourt then since you are so quick to disagree?

First, you said nothing about defense, just that they were the best.
But i MIGHT take Jacy and Dedric or Stinson and Blalock over Tinsley and Horton. Im not saying anyone is better than the rest, but there is no clear cut favorite. Mel and Trail had some great teammates to help them out, but so did the others.

 

[isucyfan]

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Tinsley was great, but Kantrail Horton wasnt anything special. Tinsley made him look decent. The supposed best back court ever was 90% Tinsley.

Kantrail Horton wasn't anything special??? He was a rock. Handled the ball, shot threes, made great decisions, great FT shooter.

He was special, and overlooked because of Tinsley, but special nonetheless.

 

[Ficklone02]

The thing I liked about Mel and Trail was that both of them could get into the lane on a consistent basis, and were generally smart with the ball. Mel seemed to take more risks, but he'd get more rewards too. This almost makes me want to break out the ISU/UCLA tape again. I really miss watching those guys play, and being on campus with the excitement of our team headed to the tournament.

 

[ajjohnson]

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First, you said nothing about defense, just that they were the best.
But i MIGHT take Jacy and Dedric or Stinson and Blalock over Tinsley and Horton. Im not saying anyone is better than the rest, but there is no clear cut favorite. Mel and Trail had some great teammates to help them out, but so did the others.

Why would you think best would not encompass all aspects of the game? I did say best overall and I meant it. The fact you would even consider either of the others pretty much says it all.

 

[Ficklone02]

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Why would you think best would not encompass all aspects of the game? I did say best overall and I meant it. The fact you would even consider either of the others pretty much says it all.

In my mind, the thing that separates Mel and Trail, is not really the statistics, there points, assists, etc., but just knowing that they really controlled the game....both from an offensive and defensive standpoint.

 

[Harry]

If Horton was the point gaurd instead of Holloway, that team makes the final four.

 

[kingcy]

Both coaches also had Jr and Sr guards most of the time and that helps big time. It also helps when your PG is big, quick, physical, and an upper classman.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Kantrail was a great player. Maybe not NBA caliber, but he still was a very important part of that team. I would take Horton/ Tinsley as my guard court any day.

 

[Wesley]

I would take Horton in a heartbeat - he was all heart.

 

[jay moe]

Best ever might be a stretch, they happened to play on the best team ever at ISU, Ron Bayless and Justus Tigpen were a very good guard court also. I would like to see what they could have done with Fizer on their team But if you go by wins alone, then Tinsley and Horton were hands down the best to ever play together at ISU.

 

[Cloned4Life]

Kantrail was the most underrated player on our 2 Big 12 title teams. Larry called him his most dependable player and the player he trusted the most. No WAY we win 32 and 25 without Kantrail. He was tough as nails, could handle, had unlimited range and most importantly, knew how to win. I'd give anything to have a guy like that on this years team.

 

[ajjohnson]

Best ever might be a stretch, they happened to play on the best team ever at ISU, Ron Bayless and Justus Tigpen were a very good guard court also. I would like to see what they could have done with Fizer on their team But if you go by wins alone, then Tinsley and Horton were hands down the best to ever play together at ISU.

They played half their ISU career without Fizer and still never lost to Kansas and never lost at Hilton Coliseum. Lets compare the senior year of Horton and Tinsley with Bayless and Thigpen. Tinsley and Horton had a supporting cast of Jake Sullivan, Martin Rancik and Paul Shirley, were 25-6 overall and were BIG TWELVE CHAMPIONS at 13-3.

Bayless and Thigpen featured a supporting cast of Fred Hoiberg, Loren Meyer and Julius Michalik. They had a overall record of 20-11 a conference record of 8-6 which and also lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament. They were 1-6 on the road in conference and won their one game at Colorado by one point.

Thigpen and Bayless easily had TWICE the supporting cast and produced half the results. Can you imagine adding Hoiberg, Michalik and Meyer to Horton and Tinsley for their senior year instead of Rancik, Sullivan and Shirley. Tinsley would dish all day to Michalik and Hoiberg for J's or Meyer for a dunk after driving inside. That team would have another strong shot at the elite 8. You think its a stretch? The only stretch is to act like its even close!

 

[lmsoup]

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I guess I was thinking about Floyd's last year and LE's first year in particular. Those guys couldn't get the ball up the floor. It was very painful to watch.

I see this has turned into a which back court was the best ever and KH was no good thread...lol.

I was hoping to find some of the names of the gaurds on those two teams....googled for about 15 minutes but couldn't find anything. I did find it interesting that Paris Corner eventually ended up at Wyoming and had decent numbers by his senior year. Around 9 a game....couple of assists and rebounds.

 

[clone52]

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I guess I was thinking about Floyd's last year and LE's first year in particular. Those guys couldn't get the ball up the floor. It was very painful to watch.

I see this has turned into a which back court was the best ever and KH was no good thread...lol.

I was hoping to find some of the names of the gaurds on those two teams....googled for about 15 minutes but couldn't find anything. I did find it interesting that Paris Corner eventually ended up at Wyoming and had decent numbers by his senior year. Around 9 a game....couple of assists and rebounds.

Were Jerry Curry and Delvin Washington here for Floyd's last year?