Uhh, what?
Do you know how many turbo diesels there with hundreds of thousands of miles on them?
Cuz there's a lot...
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Uhh, what?
Do you know how many turbo diesels there with hundreds of thousands of miles on them?
Cuz there's a lot...
Are we talking about the diesel version sold in Europe, or the direct inject gasoline? Diesel engines are far different than gas engines. Can you get a couple hundred thousand miles off a turbo diesel? Sure, but a diesel engine without a turbo, hauling thousands of pound sof freight across the country can get closer to a million. So you probably are hurting the overall lifetime of the engine, but the frame of reference is very different.
In terms of my Ecoboost ride along, it was in the mountains hauling 3000 pound travel trailer. I have a feeling the lower O2 content probably does effect the capability of the 3.2 Eco more than a standard truck engine. It is very possible that the Ecoboost is a very good towing vehicle for flatlanders. Personally, I would still lean towards a smaller block V8. The fact is a 2012 5.3 V8 Silverado tows similar loads, and actually gets very good mielage due to the revamped timing on the gearbox. Maybe Ecoboost is it if you are only considering Fords, but there are capable options out there.
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So what is your argument against the thousands of Semi's out there with 1 million or more miles on them that are turbocharged?
The tests that have been done actually say the opposite: better for mountain driving (as it is forced induction). Road Test Review: 2011 Ford F-150 FX2 3.5-liter EcoBoost V-6, Part 2 - PickupTrucks.com News
Note that they are somewhat critical of the Ecoboost for towing fuel economy, but as we discussed earlier, they rightfully point out that there are other tools for the job. For us that was the towing capacity bump, while being less than the big V8 or diesel. Note that the 5.3 Silverado is still almost a ton short of towing capacity (we have several of these as well--nice truck).
If you are just towing a boat around or nothing that is truly heavy I agree that there may be better options out there if you are looking to maximize your towing fuel economy. Realistically, though, most people barely tow, so the unladen fuel economy of the Ecoboost is attractive to them, and rightfully so.
Can you even find a naturally aspirated diesel that's used in an on-road or ag application anymore? Even locomotives, heavy-duty marine and generator applications use turbochargers. They run high loads all day long for at least a million miles and/or tens of thousands of hours with no major issues.
Not that I care one way or the other (our vehicles are a Grand Caravan and a Civic), but it seems like there are a lot of Ford fanboys here. I wonder how different this thread would be if the complaint were on a Dodge/Chrysler, Suzuki or Daewoo product instead...
Not a ford fanboy at all. I'm actually a GM guy. I just don't understand brett108's disdain for turbochargers.
You can probably find a few in Texas. From time to time you'll see some really sorry-looking semi trucks with Mexico plates that might be old enough to be naturally aspirated.
I think it is more defending the technology & how it is used than the brand. I don't care what the brand is, but I like the direction Ford has gone withe Ecoboost. If Dodge, Chevy, or Daewoo has something better I will move on to that next. No sense in locking in to a brand--never understood that.
I bought a Fusion about a year ago. Not blown away by any stretch. Inside fit and finish is below average and the transmission shifts hard way too often.
This'll probably be my first and last Ford. I was worried about American quality. Sadly seems like it was well founded
This'll probably be my first and last Ford. I was worried about American quality. Sadly seems like it was well founded
Here is an article on it. It's relatively isolated. The lawsuit is by three people in Ohio (2 are husband and wife). Guessing this is a relatively minor thing since there have only been 100 complaints with ten's of thousands produced.
Ford V6 EcoBoost engine lawsuit - Autoweek
Ford V6 EcoBoost engine lawsuit - Autoweek
[video=youtube;Qvp37o1jZUo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvp37o1jZUo[/video]
I wish that said what they wanted out of the lawsuit. I would think if you brought it in to a dealer they would fix the issue, what more can you want. Doesn't sound like it has cause an accident, injury or death.
If they want damages for getting in a dangerous situation they better just turn in their drivers license.
Reading through that article, I don't see what leverage the owners have. Ford issued a TSB (this happens all the time) for the F-150, and apparently failed to realize that the engine is used in other applications - yeah it was stupid but it isn't a safety issue. But loss of power isn't a real safety concern so as an outsider looking in I think a recall is unneccessary. It doesn't have anything to do with the volume of effected engines, it's all about safety.
Under some circumstances (like needing emergency acceleration to clear an intersection), loss of power can definitely be a safety issue.
You mean speeding to make a yellow light before it turns red, instead of just stopping at the light? It possible that there is some situation in which the ONLY way to prevent an accident is to floor it, but 99% of the time a little defensive driving, courtesy and patience is just as safe a way to go.
