Fred dont know how to stop

State43

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Basically, our defense needs to know when not to collapse and stay tight on the perimeter. If the opponent is shooting 50+% from 3, stay on them.
 

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42 pts from three. Interrupt just a couple of those and you have change for a different outcome. Too many different players tonight and too many teams all season beat us with the three. It is more than luck on their part - need better D on the 3.

It's rotations and awareness. Jones and Niang in particular get caught doubling down in the lane, or simply not paying attention more than anyone on the team. If you go back and watch the replays we often have 4 guys in the box when the ball is kicked out. That and our ability to maintain rotations once beaten have killed us all year.
 

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Basically, our defense needs to know when not to collapse and stay tight on the perimeter. If the opponent is shooting 50+% from 3, stay on them.

This x1000.

This falls on Fred, especially as it is a teamwide problem. This is something you not only need to practice (more of obviously) but something you correct DURING the game (with...I don't know....one of our 3 remaining TOs). We didn't make an adjustment at all and it burned us.
 

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Making one out of our last eleven shots didn't help either.
 

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We live by the three and die by the three on Defense not offense. You can't let a team close a 7 point lead in 30 seconds at home, you just cant

Baylor was able to do that because he put in a horrid lineup. Hogue has been the difference i a lot of games the past two years and I have no doubt he will be a big reason we win more this year...but he had no business being out there the last 8 minutes tonight. He was awful, and to put him back out there while taking out Morris, McKay and BDJ.....just an inexcusable mistake by a coach who has made very few of them.
 

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Hey cyphillus. You notice basically everyone in this thread agrees with me on this. So maybe you should shut up or add a counter arguement.
 

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Making one out of our last eleven shots didn't help either.

A lot of them were bad shots. Either early in the shot clock, or forced/rushed shots (Niang).

We were awesome in the 2nd half at Texas with our composure and willingness to run the offense. Then tonight we **** it away.
 

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I will say this - IMO the idea that an opponents 3 pt fg pct is important. But, more important to me is this teams leadership is not consistent in its understanding of how to close out an opponent. Seriously were up 7 and that lead was not built by 3's. It was built by moving the ball, penetrating and either shooting or dishing. When we get pressured its as if each player thinks they have to stop the run by shooting a three. Numbers are always important - so heres what i mean. 6-24 is a terrible pct from three. How about 1-15, thats what Nader, Niang, Jones, Long were from three. Morris and Thomas were 5-9 from three everyone else just kept shooting it.

When we won on the road against some very tough teams, we simply out worked those teams and went to the basket. In our losses, we've relied on the three and not shot well. Their shooting pct changes if we're maintaining lead. But instead, were shooting quick threes in transition and not getting high pct shots - that my friends is simply STUPID basketball.

Oh well - thats how we play and thats how we will lose. Unless we resolve this issue with shooting terrible shots in a time we will not be as successful as we could be....thats what Ejim and Kane had - Leadership.
 
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BS. Outside of Chery, most were in rhythm and WIDE open. The made them because we senselessly doubled the pass, leaving the return man open for a 3. The others? Baylor's ball movement coupled with our cluelessness with rotations and awareness gave them even more looks.

Fred's game management down the stretch was terrible, especially the subs once we got the lead. I get flamed for bringing it up, but the management concerns are real. Tonight they were manifested.

I just don't understand why Hoiberg let Baylor get back in the game. ISU was lost on defense, and he just left them out to dry. My biggest qualm with Hoiberg is him "letting his players play through it". Sometimes it works, but it is damn frustrating when it does not.
 

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I think you have to defend what the other team does. Baylor is a pretty poor shooting team, but rebounds well. It was just their night. Fred needed to call a timeout after the second or third one to make some adjustments.
 

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I think you have to defend what the other team does. Baylor is a pretty poor shooting team, but rebounds well. It was just their night. Fred needed to call a timeout after the second or third one to make some adjustments.

Wrong, they came into today 2nd in the big 12 in 3pt %.
 

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A lot of them were bad shots. Either early in the shot clock, or forced/rushed shots (Niang).

We were awesome in the 2nd half at Texas with our composure and willingness to run the offense. Then tonight we **** it away.

I keep saying it: bad habits die hard. And the above is absolutely true.

From a body language standpoint, you could tell this team thought they had it won with 5 minutes left. They forgot they were playing against a D-1 basketball team.

It was like they were there to put on a show instead of just getting down to it and playing some ****ing basketball to win a game.

Could be an interesting next 10 days or so.
 

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Sorry for bad formatting but these are conference stats for opponent 3 point %




Nat'l Rank Conf Rank 3P% Team Conf Games
28 1 29.7 Baylor Big 12 14
46 2 30.8 Kansas Big 12 15
70 3 31.7 TCU Big 12 14
79 4 31.9 Kansas State Big 12 16
133 5 33.9 Oklahoma Big 12 15
144 6 34.1 Oklahoma State Big 12 15
232 7 35.9 Texas Tech Big 12 15
275 8 37.3 Iowa State Big 12 14
299 9 38.7 Texas Big 12 15
328 10 40.1 West Virginia Big 12 15
 

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Fred just mentioned it is a team loss which is true but I'm waiting to hear him say he needs to get better at the same time especially on how to close a team out at the end - we are not good at that as well as leaving shooters open.
 

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These threads are so predictable. Lose a game and the world falls apart. Bottom line: you don't judge a coach on his team's performance in one game. You look at the season and you look at his tenure. On both counts, Fred hardly warrants the criticism tossed his way. Saddens me, really. Why would anyone want to coach at a school like this when you treated this way.

And for that matter, where are all the anti-Thomas posters, who had him transferring because he couldn't cut it here? I've never been impressed with people who are so quick to criticize but won't even post under their real name. Fred puts his reputation on the line, in full public view, every game. So, you want to pretend you know more than he does? At least have the same intestinal fortitude and post under your real name.
 

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With the type of sagging/help D we play you need to be really focus on closing out or there are going to be some open threes. Some games we have done a pretty good job of closing out others not so much. Anytime Baylor got the slightest opening from three tonight it seemed like it was going in.