It has way more to do with effort than a defensive strategy. Can you tell me why they weren't getting those looks for the first 12 minutes of the half?
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It has way more to do with effort than a defensive strategy. Can you tell me why they weren't getting those looks for the first 12 minutes of the half?
You would think that ISU has never lost a game before...Baylor is a top 20 team. They shot the ball well. We shot poorly. During the run Baylor went on we missed 3 3-point attempts that were more wide open than any of Baylors. That is the reason that Fred didn't call a TO sooner. It happens. We give up 3's because we are undersized in the post, plain and simple. It is the same reason that we can be so good at times. It is an advantage and a disadvantage. Some night we are going to be burned by it.
I agree the flurry of 3 point baskets from Baylor hurt. What hurt more was the fact ISU only scored 4 points in the last 6 1/2 minutes fo the game. Baylor went on a run and ISU didn't respond.
i don't think Fred calling time outs or making strategy changes would have done a damn thing. Our guys have to execute...and when people are wide open, that's not happening on defense.
IMO, we got beat by good guard play. Morris got out played a little bit...not from lack of effort...but Chery is a good guard. Their penetration was solid all night and that opened up the perimeter.
Could Fred have done things differently...I suppose, but I have a hard time pinning this on the coach when it's the players who need to handle their business. A coach can only say to do so much.
IMO, we got beat by good guard play. Morris got out played a little bit...not from lack of effort...but Chery is a good guard. Their penetration was solid all night and that opened up the perimeter.
Could Fred have done things differently...I suppose, but I have a hard time pinning this on the coach when it's the players who need to handle their business. A coach can only say to do so much.
I wonder if this team's biggest problem is getting too caught up in the hype that happens off the court and losing focus. Seems like every time this year whenever we accomplish something significant like a top 10 ranking, big win, the 2 big wins on the road last week, playing for a piece of the conference title this team somehow gets too caught up in the hype and loses focus. They were up 8 last night before the 3 point barrage and it's almost as if they thought they had the game in the bag (Niang even mentioned something like that on the radio post game) and they think that by just showing up at times (see the bad TT loss) they can win. I'm tired of hearing the "we'll learn from this and move on" line OVER AND OVER again each time we have a collapse either in a win that was wound up being closer than it should have been because we nearly blew a lead or loss. Time is running out on the learning part guys, the conference and NCAA tournaments are right around the corner and you can't lose focus and learn from it afterwards because you'll be packing up your bags and going home if that happens. Baylor was ripe for the picking last night and in a matter of just minutes we lost focus on defense and opened the door back up for Baylor which lost us the game. Make a couple stops after that last time out the took and a couple buckets you now have a double digit lead and Baylor with their backs against the wall.
THIS! As fans (and I'm am guilty at times myself) we sometimes forget that the other team has a game plan (or a pulse) as well. I hear a lot of folks act like we should just be able to have our way with top 20 teams. Sure, this one hurts really bad for a few reasons; regular season title implications, home court win streak etc. But that's a good team that had a game plan and clearly executed. When we weren't turning it over and missing 3's during their run we were executing a game plan as well. I think of the multiple times we saw Georges get it in the middle of the zone and either score or facilitate from there. That's the game plan being executed. And Fred can't make shots, he can't add inches and pounds to his players, he can't stop guys from making poor decisions with the basketball. When the size and abilities of your players dictate the game plan you have to roll with it. Sometimes it will be executed, sometimes it won't.
And this Scott Drew being a moron in game coach thrashing so many have been piling on about seems to be a little bit of karma for us. How many of you were laughing when he called his final timeout with 8 minutes left? How many were laughing when that seemed to be the spring board for their torrid run?
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I guess what I don't understand is Fred has a philosophy on offense of 3's are worth 50% more than 2's..and I agree. So why not use that mentality on the defensive end? This staff every game is so concerned with teams scoring inside and getting a 2 that it is creating the opposing offense that you don't want.
Watching the highlights Cherry's was about the only shot contested solidly. We were getting to the 3-ball shots late, lunging from several feet away.
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I do think this team has to figure out how to better defend the 3 point line, especially when you are up against some of the better 3 point shooting teams in the conference.......which happen to include Kansas, Oklahoma, and Baylor making up the top 4 with ISU. Note.....ISU has lost to all of those teams this year at least once so far. The Texas Tech loss was just a fluke, although that night, TT did manage to shoot 46 percent from behind the arc against the Cyclones.
In the 5 conference losses, ISU has allowed the opponent to shoot 47 percent (54/115) from 3 point range.....quite a bit above the ISU in-conference average of 34.2 percent shooting by the opponents in ISU's 10 conference wins. At the same time, in those 5 conference losses, ISU has shot 34.7 percent from behind the arc, compared to shooting 39.2 percent in the 10 conference wins. It should be noted too that the all the conference teams ISU has lost to (including Texas Tech) rank ahead of ISU in conference in opponents 3 point shooting percentage or defense. Baylor, KU, and Oklahoma are the top 3 teams in that category. ISU ranks no. 8 in conference.
Defending the 3 point shots may mean you have to give up more inside, but that may be necessary against some of these teams. If they are hitting their 3's....there is no reason for them to go inside....plus it is a matter of 2 points (and possible free throws) versus 3 points, especially when teams are hot from the outside.
I love Fred as a coach......but the defense of his teams has got to improve. ISU leads the conference in scoring, but is dead last in scoring defense. Offense is great, and fun to watch....but a team needs to be able to stop runs defensively too.
In the 5 conference losses, ISU has allowed the opponent to shoot 47 percent (54/115) from 3 point range.....quite a bit above the ISU in-conference average of 34.2 percent shooting by the opponents in ISU's 10 conference wins. At the same time, in those 5 conference losses, ISU has shot 34.7 percent from behind the arc, compared to shooting 39.2 percent in the 10 conference wins. It should be noted too that the all the conference teams ISU has lost to (including Texas Tech) rank ahead of ISU in conference in opponents 3 point shooting percentage or defense. Baylor, KU, and Oklahoma are the top 3 teams in that category. ISU ranks no. 8 in conference.
Defending the 3 point shots may mean you have to give up more inside, but that may be necessary against some of these teams. If they are hitting their 3's....there is no reason for them to go inside....plus it is a matter of 2 points (and possible free throws) versus 3 points, especially when teams are hot from the outside.
I love Fred as a coach......but the defense of his teams has got to improve. ISU leads the conference in scoring, but is dead last in scoring defense. Offense is great, and fun to watch....but a team needs to be able to stop runs defensively too.
Maybe calling a timeout would have got the teams attention. Fred makes adjustments better than most coaches out if timeouts, why not call one to make some changes.
you may be right. but my counter point to that might be that it still takes execution. It's a cyclical argument. At the end of the day, we lost because we were out coached and out played. I don't think there's an argument against that.
I'm still trying to figure out how in the heck we lost 2 unchallenged inbound passes near the end.
Really puts it into perspective. This is what I watched Wed. night as well. Hand in face? More like hand in lower-abdomen area (completely off the radar of the shooter)Watching the highlights Cherry's was about the only shot contested solidly. We were getting to the 3-ball shots late, lunging from several feet away.
[video=youtube;xqGag1Pn2UA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqGag1Pn2UA[/video]
What are you talking about? In our 10 wins this year, our opponents have shot 32% from 3 point range. Based on that, I'd say Fred is a great coach at stopping the 3 point shots.
Would you want him to overcoach like Fran does? Or does Fred need to be perfect and know exactly when to let his guys play and when to over coach them?
