Friday AI - We welcome our robot overlords

[VeloClone]

That’s fine. I’m never going to hire someone who obviously didn’t write their own resume or cover letter. I guess just take your chance

How do you know that the person didn't write their own resume and then get help with editing it through an acquaintance or resume seminar? How do you know it was AI? Does that disqualify them too?

 

[Koala]

I feel like there's AI, and then there's AI. The former (or the latter, IDK) just seems like a newer sexier way of saying automation which we've always been finding ways to do better so whatever. As long as people still understand how to do things themselves when needed and catch if AI screwed something up, that's fine, but I see how it can get abused and don't necessarily know the best way to ensure it doesn't. Thank god I'm not a hiring manager.

The other type that gets advertised all the time seems like it's giving people shortcuts to simply being human which makes me feel weird. For example, and I understand this is irrational, but people maybe just need to learn to take a photo or be OK with what the picture is. Like the friend group that's all looking at different directions so they touch it up. Just learn to look at the camera. Or the ad where the little kids looking disheveled with their crooked sunglasses, so it gets "fixed" so the sunglasses are on straight. I think it's funnier when little kids look like unorganized little kids. You're not really documenting real life if you're constantly modifying your records to match what you wanted it to be.

The worst to me was during the Olympics with the dad giving Google prompts so it could write a letter to Sydney Mclaughlin on behalf of his daughter. That just rubbed me the wrong way, telling the kid to just take a shortcut and have some AI write a "personal" letter to her idol.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Yep, you got it, skip a majority of the process. At the end the doctor just has to review/revise and stamp it as done. So, there's still the accountability for accuracy, just taking out the mundane part. I don't work in the clinical space just have seen this showed off in companywide and Oracle Health townhalls.

Not to mention, recording the conversations I imagine could come into play in malpractice suits if a patient claims something was said/done but really wasn't or vice versa.

This is very interesting and I want it right now. Puts scribes out of a job but that’s ok. I could see this working in private practice but in an ED or UC I have no idea how that would be able to pick up the right inputs.

Also if that program did get adapted and people got used to it a hospital system would be incredibly screwed if the program went down for a day or two. The time saving would be insane though however malpractice insurance would go up at first which could slow adoption.

 

[TitanClone]

Literally zero chance that's even close to correct.

Keep in mind I'm not advocating for using AI to do all of the work and submit it as is. Nothing close to it. But, used intelligently, it can create a very solid foundation to build a better resume in less time. Admonishing people who are good at utilizing technology is asinine.

Would you prefer everyone still use slide rules (or even calculators) instead of building helpful spreadsheets in Excel using formulas? Because it's the exact same thing.

And, to the point others have made, if the candidate is putting in the effort to fine tune and work on the resume beyond what ChatGPT spits out you'd never know. Unless you haven't hired someone in the last 3 years, I guarantee you've called back someone who's used it.

Not to mention in the engineering world there's a ton of folks who are extremely good at what they do but not so great at spelling it out on a resume in anything other than bullet points and examples. Simple example is one semester in Ames my easiest class on paper was psych 101 when the others were 300 level comp sci and software engineering courses, only B that semester was psych 101. Partially because I didn't take it as seriously as the others but mainly because I math's good and English's bad.

 

[Angie]

News flash. I want someone who can think on their own. Doesn’t even need to be perfect. In fact, I prefer it isn’t but the bones are there. It you ask 100 hiring managers, I bet 90 would say the same.

I get what you're saying. And your job is to try to parse that out.

But as a people manager in an IT world, I need efficiency and discretion. I don't want an employee getting bogged down in a menial task just for the sake of doing it by hand, when they can have AI assist and then spend their time on higher-level work and thinking. It's just like having a machine make cogs instead of spending hours of human labor doing what it can in 10 minutes.

 

[TitanClone]

This is very interesting and I want it right now. Puts scribes out of a job but that’s ok. I could see this working in private practice but in an ED or UC I have no idea how that would be able to pick up the right inputs.

Also if that program did get adapted and people got used to it a hospital system would be incredibly screwed if the program went down for a day or two. The time saving would be insane though however malpractice insurance would go up at first which could slow adoption.

The bolded piece can already happen with general EHR, if it goes down and you have to go back to pen and paper.

The good is it's hosted in Oracle data centers all over the world (granted with healthcare you likely only have access to data centers in the given country) so the likelihood of it going down for even more than a few minutes is highly unlikely. It's more likely a doctor let's his phone die, but even then, the computer in the room could be used instead.

 

[PSYclone22]

Is using a search function AI?

 

[FriendlySpartan]

The bolded piece can already happen with general EHR, if it goes down and you have to go back to pen and paper.

The good is it's hosted in Oracle data centers all over the world (granted with healthcare you likely only have access to data centers in the given country) so the likelihood of it going down for even more than a few minutes is highly unlikely. It's more likely a doctor let's his phone die, but even then, the computer in the room could be used instead.

Oh I’m aware of when EPIC goes down the world basically stops. I’m not saying patients were lost im just saying I found one of mine in a hallway 3 hours later. We also had one of the cyber ransom attacks at a local hospital that caused absolute chaos and operated at black surge for about 3 weeks.

Saving documentation time like you are talking about would be life altering. I do wonder how the relationship to mid levels and physicians would work in that dynamic but that’s for the lawyers to figure out.

 

[VeloClone]

I’ll disagree. But that’s fine. No high turnover. Probably because we don’t hirer people who take short cuts. I’ve passed on people who were more articulate on paper but weren’t in person or on the phone. Just saying that it actually makes you look better if the interviewer knows you wrote your own resume and coned letter b

Short cuts like spell check and grammar check?

Just kidding.

Seriously, I have never used AI, but I am much more articulate with the printed word than I am vocally. A big reason for that is proofreading, reflection and rewrites. Why wouldn't you try to express yourself in the very best way in one of the most important documents of your life? If you assume someone is not doing their own work because they are more articulate in print than in person you are missing out on a whole raft of people who take their writing seriously. And it sounds like those who take things seriously and put the time and effort into them are just the people you are seeking. Aren't they more likely to put the time and effort into other areas of their work for your business?

Hell, I even tend to reread and edit something as meaningless as CF posts because I care about how I am perceived - probably more than necessary.

 

[Mr Janny]

I’ve never used AI to write anything and don’t have any plan to. I like to believe that the human mind is always better than AI, even with our insufficiencies. It is not hard to identify an email or news article written or edited by AI. I automatically discount those and immediately place their opinion at the bottom of all others. This is especially true at work. People know how you normally interact through email. If all of a sudden your messages change structure, it’s AI and I am not going to entertain it.

I get where you're coming from. There’s definitely something special about human creativity and personal touch that AI can’t fully replicate. While I think AI has its place as a helpful tool for drafting or brainstorming, it’s true that relying on it too much can sometimes make things feel less authentic. And yeah, I’ve noticed a few robotic-sounding emails myself. I think the key is using AI to enhance our work, not replace the human element. Balance is everything.

 

[3TrueFans]

I get where you're coming from. There’s definitely something special about human creativity and personal touch that AI can’t fully replicate. While I think AI has its place as a helpful tool for drafting or brainstorming, it’s true that relying on it too much can sometimes make things feel less authentic. And yeah, I’ve noticed a few robotic-sounding emails myself. I think the key is using AI to enhance our work, not replace the human element. Balance is everything.

AI ass response

 

[Mr Janny]

AI ass response

Yep

Hey ChatGPT, create a casual response to the following quote:
"I’ve never used AI to write anything and don’t have any plan to. I like to believe that the human mind is always better than AI, even with our insufficiencies. It is not hard to identify an email or news article written or edited by AI. I automatically discount those and immediately place their opinion at the bottom of all others. This is especially true at work. People know how you normally interact through email. If all of a sudden your messages change structure, it’s AI and I am not going to entertain it."

 

[PSYclone22]

I want AI to do my dishes and fold my laundry so I can be creative.

I don't want AI to be creative so I can do my dishes and fold my laundry.

 

[KnappShack]

Yep

Hey ChatGPT, create a casual response to the following quote:
"I’ve never used AI to write anything and don’t have any plan to. I like to believe that the human mind is always better than AI, even with our insufficiencies. It is not hard to identify an email or news article written or edited by AI. I automatically discount those and immediately place their opinion at the bottom of all others. This is especially true at work. People know how you normally interact through email. If all of a sudden your messages change structure, it’s AI and I am not going to entertain it."

To a recent question. Gemini has opinions

"No, it's not acceptable to fart and blame the dog. While it might be tempting to avoid taking responsibility, it's unfair to the dog and can lead to misunderstandings or even damage your relationship with the pet."

 

[Mr Janny]

To a recent question. Gemini has opinions

"No, it's not acceptable to fart and blame the dog. While it might be tempting to avoid taking responsibility, it's unfair to the dog and can lead to misunderstandings or even damage your relationship with the pet."

How can anyone be against AI?

I mean, look at this. It's glorious.

 

[TitanClone]

Oh I’m aware of when EPIC goes down the world basically stops. I’m not saying patients were lost im just saying I found one of mine in a hallway 3 hours later. We also had one of the cyber ransom attacks at a local hospital that caused absolute chaos and operated at black surge for about 3 weeks.

Saving documentation time like you are talking about would be life altering. I do wonder how the relationship to mid levels and physicians would work in that dynamic but that’s for the lawyers to figure out.

Tell the execs to switch to Cerner (err Oracle Health) and adopt the digital assistant. Mention TitanClone so I get a nice referral bonus in a future paycheck.

 

[Angie]

How can anyone be against AI?

I mean, look at this. It's glorious.

You're on my side here, and I still can't tell what's wrong with you.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Tell the execs to switch to Cerner (err Oracle Health) and adopt the digital assistant. Mention TitanClone so I get a nice referral bonus in a future paycheck.

Sadly EPIC is firmly entrenched, I have no idea the massive overhaul it would take to switch to cerner. The stupid customization of epic leadership (with no medical degrees) love too much.

If we could switch we could probably both retire on the commission check and just chill lol

 

[VeloClone]

You're on my side here, and I still can't tell what's wrong with you.

What's NOT wrong with Janny?

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

I feel like there's AI, and then there's AI. The former (or the latter, IDK) just seems like a newer sexier way of saying automation which we've always been finding ways to do better so whatever. As long as people still understand how to do things themselves when needed and catch if AI screwed something up, that's fine, but I see how it can get abused and don't necessarily know the best way to ensure it doesn't. Thank god I'm not a hiring manager.

The other type that gets advertised all the time seems like it's giving people shortcuts to simply being human which makes me feel weird. For example, and I understand this is irrational, but people maybe just need to learn to take a photo or be OK with what the picture is. Like the friend group that's all looking at different directions so they touch it up. Just learn to look at the camera. Or the ad where the little kids looking disheveled with their crooked sunglasses, so it gets "fixed" so the sunglasses are on straight. I think it's funnier when little kids look like unorganized little kids. You're not really documenting real life if you're constantly modifying your records to match what you wanted it to be.

The worst to me was during the Olympics with the dad giving Google prompts so it could write a letter to Sydney Mclaughlin on behalf of his daughter. That just rubbed me the wrong way, telling the kid to just take a shortcut and have some AI write a "personal" letter to her idol.

You’re explaining the difference between AI/Machine Learning and Generative AI, the latter being ChatGPT which itself is built upon the former but the difference is making inputs better/learning from it vs “creating”