I mean they made a step change and got good results so hopefully they keep leaning into that but we will see
Game Thoughts Oklahoma State
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What's funny is, we did the exact opposite of that late in the game against Iowa!
My takeaway was some small tweaks to the offense that were positive, but overall that was pretty much the exact same offense as last week against a much worse team.
But I'll take the win and hope I'm wrong.
I agree, and have noticed some similarities between our programs. Dabo seems a bit high on his own supply, and Campbell has for awhile now too.
I've shared some of these stats a couple of times, but it seems worthwhile to keep repeating it. 70%-80% passes is a super high amount that would be higher than basically every FBS offense in the past decade (many of Leach's teams were in the 70s, but no other FBS team has reached 70% since Hawaii in 2007). In quarters 1-3 on Saturday, Iowa State threw 59.65% of the time, which would rank 13th in FBS this year and would have been 9th last year. Even last year, Iowa State threw the ball 57% of the time, which was 16th in FBS.
College Football Stats - College FB Team Passing Play Percentage | TeamRankings.com
College Football passing play percentage, by team.
I just like to add those numbers in so we all know the context when we want the team to pass more. I don't know, maybe they should be throwing 70% of the time. But just to be clear, throwing 70% of the time would almost certainly finish the season as the most pass-happy offense in FBS.
The key to beating KSU is pass, pass, pass.
Their run defense is stout.
Mizzou changed their offensive coordinator and philosophy in the offseason, and went from scoring 10 points on KSU last year to 30 this year.
If they aren't more talented they are better coached. They are in better shape than we are right now. Either we just don't have talent or our coaching sucks. Not sure where you are going with this. We couldn't beat Nevada or BYU imo.
I don't think the issue is we aren't passing enough. The issue is and remains an ineffective run game. You can't ask Rocco or really any QB to throw the ball 40+ times per game. Any more than that and we'd be talking about completely abandoning the run game, which some may argue would be a good idea for this year's Cyclones. I think the problem right now is knowing when to pass versus when to run.I've shared some of these stats a couple of times, but it seems worthwhile to keep repeating it. 70%-80% passes is a super high amount that would be higher than basically every FBS offense in the past decade (many of Leach's teams were in the 70s, but no other FBS team has reached 70% since Hawaii in 2007). In quarters 1-3 on Saturday, Iowa State threw 59.65% of the time, which would rank 13th in FBS this year and would have been 9th last year. Even last year, Iowa State threw the ball 57% of the time, which was 16th in FBS.
College Football Stats - College FB Team Passing Play Percentage | TeamRankings.com
College Football passing play percentage, by team.www.teamrankings.com
I just like to add those numbers in so we all know the context when we want the team to pass more. I don't know, maybe they should be throwing 70% of the time. But just to be clear, throwing 70% of the time would almost certainly finish the season as the most pass-happy offense in FBS.
I could probably buy Kansas being a little more talented than us at certain positions. There football program is getting good NIL support just because of residual from men's basketball.
Really bummed for Norton. Right at that point he seemed to be hitting his stride, opening up...then BAM he's obviously hurt his shoulder.
For a RB you'd have to think (if true) he's out multiple weeks with this kind of injury.
Defenses clearly play against knowing this tendency. Watch us play on first down, and every defensive player will usually be packed in tight side-side and within 10-12 yards of the LOS. They dare us to throw in neutral situations, and usually we don't.
These numbers are going to make me punch Drywall between the studs. The stubbornness of CMC is just insane. He likes to live by the ideology of establishing the run, but when you have less then G5 talent on the OL, do what works to win
The craziest part of the game was watching OSU trying to establish the run , down 14 and going three and out 
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They were trying to one up CMC.
.They were trying to one up CMC.
What has KU done? Going 3-6 in conference last year really impressed you?
Haven't seen them play a down yet this year, but isn't their QB the same guy they had last year? He is alright. Give me Rocco just from a pure passing standpoint.
I largely agree, with the caveat that I might actually trust Rocco to throw that much. I don't think his comp is Brock Purdy, I think his comp is more in the style of Gardner Minshew.
But, you would definitely prefer to be more balanced than that and at some point you also might run into the issue where the run game might not be able to improve at all because they don't have the opportunity to do so.
As far as when to pass vs. when to run, I honestly was fine with most of those decisions on Saturday (I was not against Ohio). There were probably a couple too many times running on both 1st and 2nd down for my liking, and a couple 3rd down runs I disagreed with at first. But I think both of those 3rd down runs were intended to set up plays on 4th down (one of them led to Noel's TD, which I think everyone forgets was on a 4th and 3). While the last three drives were more conservative in total than I would've liked, I didn't disagree with any of the play calls in the moment. The last non-victory formation drive even ended with a Rocco Becht run, which I thought everyone here was clamoring for.
I was somewhat shocked that the play action pass worked as well as it did for us being almost completely inept at running the football
A dive would have been preferable. If he dove he would have gotten yardage until he hit the ground. He slid feet first so he was down as soon as he started his sliding motion.
They have form here, so not surprising they are figuring it out fast. KU is has been buying bball players for decades. Now they have discovered an adjacent market (football) where they can buy players via NIL.
