How far are we willing to go to win?
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Dumbest damn slogan the program has attempted to attach itself to. This is sports, victory is the only thing that matters. Leave this honor ******** for the more serious aspects of life. Lie, cheat, steal, I don't care what it takes, just win some damn football games.
If you can find a single fan of a program that got busted for cheating a handful years after their team went on to win a ton of games and play for championships if this new information of improper benefits in any way negatively effects the fun they had at the time or how positively they view their team, they'd be liars.
This is life for 85 plus kids. Do you know any of the guys on this team, or any college team for that matter? If you do, you know FB, or FB related "stuff" occupies 60-70% of their waking hours. This is the important life stuff to them. You think coaches like Pete Carroll, Dungy, Popovich, etc, who espouse things like honor and quality of character are spouting bulls**t out of their mouths? Have you ever cheated and won, and then had the awareness that you only won because you decided to take these drastic measures to get the end result you wanted? My guess is, based on your comment, you have cheated and won, and done it enough times to where your integrity is already compromised. I'm no ******* saint, but by much of the sentiment on the board, the win at all costs mentality is pervasive amongst our young.
Unfortunately I'm not that young nor am I naive enough to believe any of this - actually I find it quite cute in its raw innocence.
I do find the use of Pete Carroll as an "Honor Before Victory" example to be chuckle worthy. Pretty sure USC got busted for cheating about 10 minutes after he bailed out of town.
That actually makes it all the more disheartening. Call it what you will, naïveté, raw innocence, it doesn't matter. I think you miss the deeper point. Believe what you want. You reveal a lot about yourself with what you write. It's a damn good thing you can do so with absolute anonymity.
I'm somewhere in the middle and I'm all for 'pushing the envelope' as far as the rules go. Bring in the questionable academic/character guys and give them the help they need to (stay eligible) succeed.
That said, your examples don't help your case at all. Pete Carroll cheated his *** off at USC and barely escaped to the NFL before the NCAA came down with their (hand slap) sanctions. Popovich is widely known as one of the biggest ******** in coaching. Dungy...well, let's just say I find him very hypocritical with a the 'values' he espouses.
Wow. Some posters in this thread are making me ashamed of being an Iowa state fan. I can't even check this site anymore without seeing stuff like this. Amazing that a few good years in basketball brought these kinds of posts and tavernclone posters.
Okay, not here to defend these coaches at great length, so this is all I'll say about them. Have you looked into the USC scandal any deeper than what pop news gives you? Pop media includes ESPN. People are quick to judge without knowing much about a situation. Also, don't know what word you used to describe Pop, but the guy is a model coach, participating in a model franchise. His players are rarely, if ever, involved in **** detrimental to the team. He has no care for the media and that might be his biggest knock. You must be a Heat fan. I kid. And Dungy, not sure what to say. He is a good guy, was a good coach and willingly admits he's made mistakes along the way. Anyway, I probably should have known better than to get all "moralistic" on a forum. Brings up a lot of "stuff" that could be argued for days. My bad.
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You are trying to compare two totally different things, the first one is win at all cost including lying, cheating, etc. The second, is the players ability to follow the rules of the team. If you have players that allowed to live by a different set of rules, then soon you will not have a team. If you think Coe and Irving were kicked off the team because of their encounters with the law, you are miss informed. I remember a thread last year in the Dec/Jan time frame that talked about up to 10 players on the defense leaving the team. Well, Coe and Irvine were the reason. They would miss meeting, show up to practice late and either were not given punishment or they just did not do the penitence. Air raids are air raids, if the punishment for missing a meeting is 500 yards of air raids, then damn well everyone better do them. If some don't and there are no consequences then others will leave the team and they did.
But, these things are totally different than cheating, paying a recruit, etc. those things that the SEC and the bag men are known for.
Win at all cost, not sure I agree, but to have a unified team the coaching staff must keep everyone following the same rules.
