I have not been a prohm fan, but...
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Meh, Fred gave him **** in that regard , I'm not too concerned he didn't turn that **** into gold.
Many here greatly underestimated the looming challenge Fred ran away from and that Prohm inherited (late). He had one offseason to fix holes that were years in the making. It would have been great for him to do that, but JP hired a guy that didn't have the connections to bring a class with him. Then again, unlike Fred, Prohm didn't have the luxury of being able to take a bunch of redshirting transfers.
Did you read the Players Tribune article on Doug McDermott? It's funny that the "Fred hated recruiting" even made it in that
Can we all stop the Fred wouldn't recruit narrative. Fred had a roster of upper classman and 2-3 sit out transfers earmarked for playing time once eligible leaving only a couple of scholarships for freshman. There wasn't much playing time available for 4 start recruits to play early thus, very difficult to get that type to Ames. Fred decided to target 5 star types who would contribute to a NCAA tourney run right away and fall back to a JC or late grad transfer if he didn't land the Diallo type (fall backs like Kane, McKay, Hogue and lesser extent BDJ). it worked and I have no doubt that if CFH had 6 scholarships in a year he'd land top talent (see Monte, Matt, and Georges).
Fred "hating" recruiting (which I don't dispute) didn't seem to impact his ability to bring in high level players. The original post suggested that Prohm will do a better job recruiting because he wants to be here as evidenced by next year's class. I think the analysis is a bit more complicated than that. Fred may have hated recruiting but he still got a tremendous amount of talent on the Iowa State campus. Prohm may be able to do the same thing, or even exceed it, but I don't think that is a fair conclusion at this point.
Yeah I wasn't disputing your post, just pointing out you should read that article if you haven't. It's a good read
The problem that Fred's recruiting was causing was that it was creating a roster that was mainly juniors and seniors.
We would be graduating almost the entire contributing roster in a 2 year stretch.
We see the problems that it caused this year since our half our front court is 5th year seniors, a freshman, and undersized Burton. And since the staff missed on Holden, we see the ripple effects it creates.
I understand that Fred brought it talent. But Fred would have been dealt the same issue Prohm has. And no guarantee he would have hit home runs again in the transfer market. Fred could have ended up with another Anthony Booker, Edozie, or Holden.
It's not really a problem until you have a lame duck head coach that does little recruiting at the end and leaves in June. We're largely seeing the problems caused from the recruiting cycle misssed due to Fred's slow departure for the NBA.
"when the clock starts" on a new coach is yet another never ending topic in here. We had all these same discussions a decade ago.
Just to be fair in this discussion, and a different angle, Matt A. was pouncing on the best grad transfers before most programs even knew they were going to transfer. Doubt we have that type of assistant on our staff right now.
Nowhere did I say that Fred wouldn't recruit. Or couldn't. He made an error going for 5 stars with no fall back options, and his obvious goal of getting to the NBA put off recruits as it sounded more and more likely. He left us with some fantastic players, but a little short in the transition. If none of the NBA talk ever happened, then sure, we'd still have him and we'd still be rolling along.
I'm considering blaming Prohm for Michigan State's lackluster season as well.
Just 'cuz.
Next year's team is going to be like last season's football team. They are going to look real ****** at first. Then as the season progresses they'll look less ******. Then towards the end you'll think these guys aren't so ****** after all.
If they play this crap style of ball. And it wasn't only catering to the hoiberg seniors that made the team this hard to watch and it was just bad coaching yes I'll be over prohm.
Even south west Eastern Montana tech would be able to get their posts a few easy points a game. This team not only doesn't try get get big men involved, but they seem to intentionally ice them out of the game.
I think that is a player mentality. I've been searching on Google but can't find an article but I remember a McKay quote from his junior year right when he was able to start playing and he was saying how it is hard to get Monte's trust on lobs because Monte values the ball so much.
Now think about all the times Holden has caught the ball and not gone up hard and gotten stripped or blocked early in the year. Same goes for Young. I have a feeling our PG doesn't have complete trust in those guys to risk the turnover that might happen.
