Iowa State vs South Carolina
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Kansas has had a ton of long home court winning streaks, yet still managed to book home/home series against Ohio State, Michigan State, San Diego State, Georgetown, USC, UCLA, Arizona, etc... try again.
You don't get it. You are an idiot so it's understandable why. This is my last post in this god forsaken place until you are shown the door because the mods are equally as idiotic for letting you pollute the forum. Your sole purpose here is to put us lowly Cyclone fans in our place. You enforce the KU basketball image. Congrats.
Twotroll/trollcoach is such a cocky SOB that is stupid and always gives dumb advice. By arguing with him, all anyone is doing is fueling his fire and will make him continue to troll. Let's just leave it at he's an idiot.
That's hilarious. I seem to be the only person on here who thinks that Iowa State is worthy and capable of getting, and winning, non-con games against tough opponents. Have you not read anything I have posted? I want to see ISU captalize on their success and move to the next level. If you cannot get past the fact that I happen to cheer for Kansas and engage in a conversation about things that ISu might be able to do to move into the upper tier of programs then that's on you.
Far from trying to "put anyone in their place" I am trying to bounce ideas around for how ISU could move to a higher place. If there wasn't a KU player in my avatar and my user name had the letters "CY" somewhere in it, you'd probably agree with 99% of the things I posted on this thread. Again, that's on you to get past your assumptions and stereotypes, not me. It's an interesting topic on how teams can move up the ranks of great programs. If you can't handle it, so be it.,
I think you meant "I am not saying that ISU isn't trying to get these games." Correct?
Also, ISU fans who understand tourney-prep and SOS and RPI do want to see more "bulk" to the schedule. Based on past couple of seasons, Hoiberg is moving toward more of that, where it's available — but securing the highest-caliber games a program "wants" isn't like turning on a light switch.
I think he meant to say that they don't want to schedule a home and home with a team that isn't a traditional power. I can't recall the last time Kansas offered someone a home and home and had it turned down.
So back to the original topic, I actually like the game in New York. Clearly helpful for recruiting plus as it is after December 20th, will be good to get a few more games with McCay eligible. Seems like a winnable game against a power conference team in a big city with tons of big time recruits coming up so they can see the team. No complaints from me.
CycloneErik
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I think twocoach's comments are ones that we'd all agree with if he weren't a KU fan.
We should believe we could beat the top-tier teams, because we can. It's a shame we're not getting 1 or 2 of those games lined up.
We should believe we could beat the top-tier teams, because we can. It's a shame we're not getting 1 or 2 of those games lined up.
I'm still thinking it's a mini tournament with 2 other teams than ISU and South Carolina, especially if ISU has another game it can add. Having this game in Brooklyn still doesn't make a ton of sense to me but oh well. Can ISU be in another competition with being in the CBE Classic in Kansas City next year?
You're not very bright if you can't see there is a difference between signing up for a likely loss @ KU vs @ ISU.
Most schools are ok with playing @KU because there is very little downside to a loss there because everyone knows that KU will be a top 20 ranked team at the end of the year plus everyone expects you to lose there.
Against ISU you'll still probably lose, but you have no idea where we'll be ranked at the end of the season, and many fans and pundits don't expect a team like Michigan, etc to lose at ISU even though the odds say they will.
another problem is the Hoiberg to NBA specualtion. If he leaves in 2 years who knows where ISU would be at? It would affect if a team wants a home and home with ISU as ISU at Hilton is still a tough place to play at. I'm pretty sure that would cross the mind of an opponents coaching staff when scheduling ISU.
It's not that we don't want them. It's no different than how many of our fans don't want to play UNI, or KU doesn't want to play Wichita State.
Many people look at games like that as having no upside. If KU loses to WSU, what do they gain. WSU benefits form playing home/home against KU way more than KU does.
Blue bloods probably don't want to play in Hilton because they know they will likely lose. We should try like hell to find some 2nd tier programs that are similar in name value to us though.
All you are doing is selling ISU short. Four years ago, I'd agree with you. But we are talking about right now, with Hoiberg and ISU rolling on an upward trend. This isn't like football where they book these games years in advance.
And it doesn't matter where specifically ISU finishes the season ranked so long as they make the tourney. Losing @ a #25 ranked ISU is no worse a loss than losing @ a #9 ranked ISU. They are a solid, ncaa caliber team that at this time seems like a lock to make the tourney for the next several years. A loss on their home floor doesn't look bad on anyone's resume.
There are 50+ good teams below the blue bloods that would be great teams to book series with. That's what I am saying. 60+ teams in the tourney. They won't all turn you down. It's critical to play 1-2 non-con games against teams that were in the tourney. Yes, you run the risk that those teams have fallen off and aren't as stiff a competition as you'd like but that's just the roll of the dice that's hard to predict. Predicting that South Carolina won't offer up much competition is an easy prediction.
Wouldn't they consider themselves to have a better chance of beating ISU if Hoiberg leaves thereby making it a more favorable game? I think that's a bit of a stretch. I doubt that is crossing anyone's mind in determining if they want to play ISU or not.
I'd like it better, too, with a few more toughies. My basic point in response to twocoach, there's bound to be some lag time with what you could get, and what you'd like to schedule.
Iowa State has more "leverage" now even compared to 2012-13 ... maybe the final open slots in 14-15 will be somebody like Oregon and Memphis. (Just tossing out a couple of names). If those were added to existing slate, I think that would be a challenging non-con at this point, especially putting it next to any ISU schedule in recent memory.
Would that be on a level twocoach would say qualifies as "making hay" on recent success?
You can think that but you would be wrong. It is three games over three days with 6 teams. We are the Saturday game.
