Is the MWC an autobid league with this proposed expansion?

[hawkfan]

The current MWC consists of the following 9 teams:

BYU
TCU
Utah
Colorado State
Air Force
San Diego State
New Mexico
UNLV
Wyoming

If the MWC is really serious about getting an autobid...I'd propose they add the following 5 teams:

Boise State
Houston
SMU
Hawaii
Fresno State

That would actually be a pretty darn strong conference in football...though it would need some development in basketball to be any good there. Also, maybe most importantly, the above conference would have the demographics to succeed. It consists of 2 teams from California and 3 teams from Texas - almost half of the league members would be from the two largest states in the country. I think the above would definitely be an autobid league.

On a side note, would ISU be interested in jumping into the above conference, assuming, of course, that it does become an autobid conference? This would give ISU a somewhat geographic and realistic option outside of the Big 12....I wonder if Pollard would consider getting into the above league.

 

[KingClone]

Re: Is the MWC an autobid league with this expansion?

The current MWC consists of the following 9 teams:

BYU
TCU
Utah
Colorado State
Air Force
San Diego State
New Mexico
UNLV
Wyoming

If the MWC is really serious about getting an autobid...I'd propose they add the following 5 teams:

Boise State
Houston
SMU
Hawaii
Fresno State

That would actually be a pretty darn strong conference in football...though it would need some development in basketball to be any good there. Also, maybe most importantly, the above conference would have the demographics to succeed. It consists of 2 teams from California and 3 teams from Texas - almost half of the league members would be from the two largest states in the country. I think the above would definitely be an autobid league.

On a side note, would ISU be interested in jumping into the above conference, assuming, of course, that it does become an autobid conference? This would give ISU a somewhat geographic and realistic option outside of the Big 12....I wonder if Pollard would consider getting into the above league.

Remember the WAC from 96-99?

The history of 16 team football conferences lasting is not bright.

 

[hawkfan]

Re: Is the MWC an autobid league with this expansion?

Remember the WAC from 96-99?

The history of 16 team football conferences lasting is not bright.

This would be a 14 team conference, not 16.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Re: Is the MWC an autobid league with this expansion?

If the MWC adds BSU they deserve am automatic bid. Period. If they add all of those teams you stated, that would be a great conference.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Re: Is the MWC an autobid league with this RUMORED expansion?

The current MWC consists of the following 9 teams:

BYU
TCU
Utah
Colorado State
Air Force
San Diego State
New Mexico
UNLV
Wyoming

If the MWC is really serious about getting an autobid...I'd propose they add the following 5 teams:

Boise State
Houston
SMU
Hawaii
Fresno State

That would actually be a pretty darn strong conference in football...though it would need some development in basketball to be any good there. Also, maybe most importantly, the above conference would have the demographics to succeed. It consists of 2 teams from California and 3 teams from Texas - almost half of the league members would be from the two largest states in the country. I think the above would definitely be an autobid league.

On a side note, would ISU be interested in jumping into the above conference, assuming, of course, that it does become an autobid conference? This would give ISU a somewhat geographic and realistic option outside of the Big 12....I wonder if Pollard would consider getting into the above league.

If they do, ISU, KU and KSU should head west. Their TV contract is as good as the Big 12 now without these schools.

 

[IcSyU]

Re: Is the MWC an autobid league with this RUMORED expansion?

If they do, ISU, KU and KSU should head west. Their TV contract is as good as the Big 12 now without these schools.

Uh, why? That'd be beyond stupid. You do realize we would have to fly damn near everywhere right? At least now we can bus non-revenue sports to Manhattan, Lawrence, Columbia, and Lincoln.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

Re: Is the MWC an autobid league with this RUMORED expansion?

Uh, why? That'd be beyond stupid. You do realize we would have to fly damn near everywhere right? At least now we can bus non-revenue sports to Manhattan, Lawrence, Columbia, and Lincoln.

Sounds good, great idea be reative instead of proactive. Uh and Columia and Lincoln may be out of the question in two years. So that leaves Manhatten and Lawrence, hence my post!:skeptical:

 

[IcSyU]

and what happens if you're proactive for absolutely no reason?

Now we can at least fly to Oklahoma and take care of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in one flight for non-revenues.

I'm also sure the athletes would LOVE to have to fly back a time zone or two for any athletics events. Not everyone travels just on Friday like football. It'd be really cool for the women to have to fly to San Diego Tuesday night for a Wednesday night conference game and have to be in class Thursday. Sounds very conducive to the student-athletes. Let's not forget I'm sure those school would just LOVE to have to fly to Ames. That doesn't cost anything.

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

and what happens if you're proactive for absolutely no reason?

Now we can at least fly to Oklahoma and take care of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in one flight for non-revenues.

I'm also sure the athletes would LOVE to have to fly back a time zone or two for any athletics events. Not everyone travels just on Friday like football. It'd be really cool for the women to have to fly to San Diego Tuesday night for a Wednesday night conference game and have to be in class Thursday. Sounds very conducive to the student-athletes. Let's not forget I'm sure those school would just LOVE to have to fly to Ames. That doesn't cost anything.

Here is an honest question, you had $1,000 today would invest in the longevity of the Big 12 or the MWC? The Big 12 is what we accountants like to call a "going-concern."

 

[hawkfan]

and what happens if you're proactive for absolutely no reason?

Now we can at least fly to Oklahoma and take care of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in one flight for non-revenues.

I'm also sure the athletes would LOVE to have to fly back a time zone or two for any athletics events. Not everyone travels just on Friday like football. It'd be really cool for the women to have to fly to San Diego Tuesday night for a Wednesday night conference game and have to be in class Thursday. Sounds very conducive to the student-athletes. Let's not forget I'm sure those school would just LOVE to have to fly to Ames. That doesn't cost anything.

The time zone thing is a very good point that I had not considered. Many people agree that Texas will never join the PAC 10 for that reason....having all your prime time football games start at 9PM Texas time is very annoying.

However, keep in mind that "student-athletes" probably make up less than 1% of the student body....so what is "conducive" to student athletes won't always take precedent over what will benefit that school as whole.

 

[IcSyU]

Here is an honest question, you had $1,000 today would invest in the longevity of the Big 12 or the MWC? The Big 12 is what we accountants like to call a "going-concern."

It's not that easy. Iowa State gets research money from the Big 12. Iowa State can sell the Big 12 to recruits. Aren't you the same person who said recruiting ties would be hurt if Iowa State left the Big 12 for the Big 10? Same exact thing applies here.

 

[Tre4ISU]

and what happens if you're proactive for absolutely no reason?

Now we can at least fly to Oklahoma and take care of Oklahoma and Oklahoma State in one flight for non-revenues.

I'm also sure the athletes would LOVE to have to fly back a time zone or two for any athletics events. Not everyone travels just on Friday like football. It'd be really cool for the women to have to fly to San Diego Tuesday night for a Wednesday night conference game and have to be in class Thursday. Sounds very conducive to the student-athletes. Let's not forget I'm sure those school would just LOVE to have to fly to Ames. That doesn't cost anything.

If it was all about travel, we would have been in the Big Ten when they decided to expand. I am far more worried about TV, quality of competition than I am travel. Does it really take that much longer to fly to San Diego? I just don't see travel as being the most important aspect.

 

[IcSyU]

I didn't even think about the $$$ side of things yet. Iowa State's budget would take a HUGE hit if we left the Big 12.

 

[IcSyU]

BYU 1,103
TCU 780
Utah 1,103
Colorado State 708
Air Force 776
San Diego State 1,780
New Mexico 1,043
UNLV 1,455
Wyoming 712
Boise State 1,399
Houston 973
SMU 732
Hawaii 4,531
Fresno State 1,845

Average miles/trip 1,352 (1,109 w/o Hawaii)

Colorado 722
Kansas State 349
Kansas 270
Missouri 292
Nebraska 223
Texas Tech 929
Oklahoma State 548
Oklahoma 598
Texas 965
Baylor 865
Texas A&M 904

Average miles/trip: 606

 

[UNIGuy4Cy]

I didn't even think about the $$$ side of things yet. Iowa State's budget would take a HUGE hit if we left the Big 12.

The budget will fall with the suspense surrounding the Big 12. If the MWC continues to expand, so will the revenues. Also they have their own network already, as the conference expands so will the coverage and revenues. Dude the Big 12 is ready to implode!!!

 

[Tre4ISU]

I didn't even think about the $$$ side of things yet. Iowa State's budget would take a HUGE hit if we left the Big 12.

That depends on who else leaves. I guess I was going on the idea that if Texas leaves, most if not all other quality teams will leave. Obviously, best case is for us to keep the Big 12 together if we are not in the Big Ten.

 

[CyDude16]

The budget will fall with the suspense surrounding the Big 12. If the MWC continues to expand, so will the revenues. Also they have their own network already, as the conference expands so will the coverage and revenues. Dude the Big 12 is ready to implode!!!

Can we give a TO to this dude for his constant annoyance on expansion threads?