If BYU would have lost then honestly this would have been a disaster for the Big12, which is a shocking statement to make
ISU Bowl Projection
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This is the exact argument I make in regards to Missouri Valley basketball.
It's a fun league with lots of good games every night. Just enjoy it for what it is and don't get lost in what it isn't. The goal posts have moved and the Valley isn't going back to the 3 and 4 bid days. Enjoy it, live in the moment and have fun cheering for your team. No need to be miserable about things you can't control. Maybe you get a big year every once in a while but it's not going to be a consistent thing.
Exact same thing just happened to Big 12 football.
With NIL I feel a lot of these elite teams have separated themselves further. I think the 12 team playoff ends with the same 4 teams we've come accustomed to in the 4 team playoff.
Yeah this is the reality. Blum and Williams are right that it’s a bit of self-fulfilling prophecy.
That said the teams we’re complaining about, Ole Miss, Notre Dame, and Michigan are fringe playoff teams anyway at this point. There’s still 7-8 games left, and those teams need to run the table at this point to get at larges. I think that’s unlikely.
Bama, UGa, OSU, Tennessee, Texas, Oregon, and maybe Penn State are all head annd shoulders anbove everyone else. They are all significantly better than any B12 team. So, it’s kind of a pointless to complain about other teams as unlikely to make the playoffs as at larges as we are
This take always bothers me. Sure, there's an elite tier of a comparatively small group, but we never once saw a repeat of the same 4 teams making up the playoff in two different years throughout the entirety of the 4 team playoff.
You can almost guarantee the committee will fudge the system to make sure that doesnt happen. They will fudge those few rankings whenever possible to make sure a game like that would be in Miami vs a cold weather location.
Not saying it will never happen, but more times than not you will find a miraculous shift in rankings to put the warmer locations in the right spots.
Penn state isn’t head and shoulders above and Oregon has to prove some things still. The rest I mostly agree with. Only push back is that those teams 100% do not have to run the table to get in. Michigan and Ole Miss can most likely afford another loss especially to a ranked team. ND maybe not as they have a very weak schedule
Michigan maybe not because they have that USC win. If they beat Oregon but lose to OSU, they’d have an argument. Ole Miss I think certainly does. They aren’t a blue blood. They have a bad loss (as it stands right now). They have to win vs Georgia imo and avoid falling to LSU and OU. Unlikely.
I agree with this. I went to that game in Ames when I was an ISU student. That was enough for me. Now that I live outside Iowa, I have vowed that I will never go back to Ames for it again. 1. It's a **** show. 2. Half the people there are idiot hawk fans. I try to come back once per season, and it will never be that game.
the only way 2-loss Ole Miss doesn't make the playoff is if there's 8+ B1G/SEC teams with 2 or fewer wins that can be selected in front of them.
That's fair I just think some anticipate some crazy drama coming from new format but I think you'll find more blowouts from the favorites than anything. It's going to be more nba playoffs than NFL playoffs
There will probably be an exciting game or upset in the on-campus first round games, but by the time we whittle it down to 4 it's going to be HARDER for the elite-tier teams to miss out than it was before. And that's the point.
I think a 2-loss Ole Miss is eliminated unless they beat Georgia. Plus they have land mines everywhere
Nah, they still have LSU and OU on the schedule so the loss to Georgia with wins there and no stepping on landlines gets them in
I think most b10/sec teams will get in with 2 losses... only way they don't is if there are 9+ ND/sec/b10 teams with 2 or fewer losses... meaning 1 g6, 1 B12, 1 acc aand 9 nd/sec/b10 teams...
The only way you get 4-5 teams from the G6/ACC/B12 group is if you have 8 or fewer 2 loss teams from the p2(+nd) and some compelling unbeaten / 1 loss teams from the rest..
Maybe so. We shall see. Either way, we’re taking about a team that will get trounced in the first round of the playoffs.
The issue for the B12 this year is not miz, nd, mich, etc. it is the fact that we only have ISU/BYU left as undefeated teams 5 weeks into the season. We need to have years where we end up with 2 or 3 teams that are either unbeaten or have only 1 (max 2) losses heading into the conf championship games. That means you can't have non-conf losses like:
cinci vs. pitt
wvu vs. pitt/psu
col vs. neb
ksu vs. ariz (terrible game for the b12 since it added a loss to one of the conf contenders automatically)
kan vs. unlv, ill
etc....
This year the B12 will have a very narrow path for possibly getting 2 teams:
ISU / BYU both undefeated in B12 title game
ISU undefeated vs. a 1 loss Col or Ari
ISU / Utah both with 1 loss in B12 title game
ISU unbeaten, Utah 2 losses, Utah wins B12 title, ISU is runner up with 1 loss
KSU / Utah both with 1 loss going into B12 title game
There are porbably some other less likely outcomes... but Utah & UCF losing really made the path very difficult for the B12 to get 2.
To me, this was always the case... I don't think there will be a lot of years where 9+ teams from the p2+ND have 2 or fewer losses... has not happened much in the past, unlikely to happen often going forward.
Key for B12 is to have as many teams as possible with 2 or fewer losses... then you have a shot at 2. This year is not looking good. But this does not mean every year will be terrible. Have to do better in non-conf matchups.
cinci vs. pitt
wvu vs. pitt/psu
col vs. neb
ksu vs. ariz (terrible game for the b12 since it added a loss to one of the conf contenders automatically)
kan vs. unlv, ill
etc....
This year the B12 will have a very narrow path for possibly getting 2 teams:
ISU / BYU both undefeated in B12 title game
ISU undefeated vs. a 1 loss Col or Ari
ISU / Utah both with 1 loss in B12 title game
ISU unbeaten, Utah 2 losses, Utah wins B12 title, ISU is runner up with 1 loss
KSU / Utah both with 1 loss going into B12 title game
There are porbably some other less likely outcomes... but Utah & UCF losing really made the path very difficult for the B12 to get 2.
To me, this was always the case... I don't think there will be a lot of years where 9+ teams from the p2+ND have 2 or fewer losses... has not happened much in the past, unlikely to happen often going forward.
Key for B12 is to have as many teams as possible with 2 or fewer losses... then you have a shot at 2. This year is not looking good. But this does not mean every year will be terrible. Have to do better in non-conf matchups.
