ISU Gambling Megathread

dosry5

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I am not defending Dekkers. He did something stupid and borderline unforgivable. He is gone and should be forever. Did CMC think he was a meathead in high school? Maybe, but he wasn't some kid with a police record and a total troublemaker either. There is a difference. I have no doubt CMC has had many meatheads on his team that have turned into fine humans, but knowing someone is a talented meathead doesn't mean it will be known the talented meathead will do this.
Borderline unforgivable? Really?
 
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What a shot in dark.

I bet this lawyer doesn't think cops should survel drug dealers when trying to stop drug trafficking and should instead apply their resources equally to the general population.
Can’t just discriminate against someone for the college they play sports for and others were eliminated as targets unless they belonged to specific male athletic team. Be like a cop pulling over someone with no probable cause because the neighborhood they live in. Not saying they aren’t guilty but that is a violation of constitutional rights if comes to be true.
 
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The truth is an absolute defense in any case these players could bring against the state. This may or may not work to get them out of their legal issues, I have no idea. That's it though. It will not work to avoid punishment by the NCAA or the NFL.
Oh yeah they will still be 100% suspended. I'm not arguing that. I just think there is a case to be made on the ethics/legality of the specifics of the investigation overall.
 

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Borderline unforgivable? Really?
For a fan? No lol. I'll call him an idiot for his actions but he's a kid and is going to unfortunately learn the hard way that his actions have consequences. His actions were unforgivable to his team and the coaching staff though.
 

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Can’t just discriminate against someone for the college they play sports for and others were eliminated as targets unless they belonged to specific male athletic team. Be like a cop pulling over someone with no probable cause because the neighborhood they live in. Not saying they aren’t guilty but that is a violation of constitutional rights if comes to be true.

Just the public threat from the lawyer to escalate like this could be good enough to get it taken care of for everyone.
 

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Just the public threat from the lawyer to escalate like this could be good enough to get it taken care of for everyone.
Hope you’re right. Find it strange how Iowa state has got hammered the most. They still haven’t announced the other four impact players for Iowa state football yet.
 

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Completely different set of circumstances, and I actually think the attorney is making a solid argument.

For the crime they are charged with, their status as athletes is completely irrelevant. I'd venture to guess if they did the same diligence they did towards the athletes towards the general population you'd turn up thousands of people who are using their parents identities for gambling accounts. I'd imagine it's extremely prevalent. But to only target your investigation into male athletes at the two major D1 schools is legally problematic.

Do we know they only targeted male athletes or are we just taking the attorney's word for that?

If you're in a group of cars speeding on the highway, and the cop pulls only you over do you have any type of defense if protected issues weren't involved (race/sex/etc)

Being an athlete isn't a protected class so I'm not sure that would hold up in court, but if they only targeted men that seems like it wouldn't be an issue
 
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Do we know they only targeted male athletes or are we just taking the attorney's word for that?

If you're in a group of cars speeding on the highway, and the cop pulls only you over do you have any type of defense if protected issues weren't involved (race/sex/etc)

Being an athlete isn't a protected class so I'm not sure that would hold up in court, but if they only targeted men that seems like it wouldn't be an issue

I have no idea who was targeted. But I do think if the facts play out anything like what the lawyer has suggested they would have a problem on their hands.

To your example, of course you don't have a defense to that because of the impracticality of one cop pulling over 4-5 different people at once. But if law enforcement goes and breaks up and underage party and lets all the athletes go but writes all the band kids tickets, do you not think they'd have a problem on their hands? It comes down to selective enforcement aimed blatantly at a certain group of people.

There's no practical reason why you'd charge Dekkers, Enyi, Sauser, Ulis, etc. and not charge the fellas down at the frats who are doing the same thing. I'd be amazed if they could not, with some level of diligence, bring these same charges against hundreds, if not thousands, of other non-athletes.
 
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Hard to tell if he's just suggesting that because all of the accused are male or actually has some foundation. One could make the argument that most athletic betting is done by males and thus the identified users were male. But of course that will all come out during discovery.
 
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The extended Dekkers families from Hawarden, IA has received $1,555,xxx in ag farm subsidies the past 25ish years. Hunter's parents aren't listed as owners, so probably crop sharing on grandparents' land.

For comparison sakes, my mom operates 200 acres and has received $68,xxx over the same time frame.

Using a simple proportion would imply the extended Dekkers families operates about 4600 acres

That is past my small farm vision but to each their own. Thx for the math though! Nowadays I consider 1,000 acres and less small.
 

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What a shot in dark.

I bet this lawyer doesn't think cops should survel drug dealers when trying to stop drug trafficking and should instead apply their resources equally to the general population.
It’s really not a shot in the dark. It’s what any good defense attorney should be doing. As well as challenging any geofencing as an unconstitutional search and seizure.
 

Clonefan32

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It’s really not a shot in the dark. It’s what any good defense attorney should be doing. As well as challenging any geofencing as an unconstitutional search and seizure.

I think it's also undoubtedly a message from the defense attorney to the prosecutor saying "how much time do you want to devote to prosecuting a victimless aggravated misdemeanor"