ISU Gambling Megathread

Rabbuk

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Is it though? Maybe I'm a square but I can't imagine a scenario where my underage kid asks me to set up a sports betting account for them under my name for them to use and I do it. Not because of some potential DCI investigation, but because it sounds so incredibly stupid and wrong.
I'm trying to imagine how asking my mom or dad for their SSN would go, but maybe it's because my parents didn't just fall off a turnip truck like dekker's lawyer is claiming about his parents.
 
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isufbcurt

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Most parents are idiots, so I don't know that that's a bold statement. But what things are you suggesting?

As been mentioned before parents allowing alcohol parties in their homes. We let our daughter smoke in our house. Drunk parents having their kids (without a license or permit) drive them home from bars, etc. Hell in High School we used to have card parties and gamble for real money at various friend's houses.

I consider these thing to be similar or worse than letting your kid use your info to gamble.
 

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As been mentioned before parents allowing alcohol parties in their homes. We let our daughter smoke in our house. Drunk parents having their kids (without a license or permit) drive them home from bars, etc. Hell in High School we used to have card parties and gamble for real money at various friend's houses.

I consider these thing to be similar or worse than letting your kid use your info to gamble.
Yeah, those are all stupid too, but I don't see how that makes creating a fake account for your kid to gamble any better? Sure, relative to other more stupid things, this may be less stupid, but it's still stupid.
 

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Yeah, those are all stupid too, but I don't see how that makes creating a fake account for your kid to gamble any better? Sure, relative to other more stupid things, this may be less stupid, but it's still stupid.

Different people have different values and risk levels. If I had a college aged son I'd have no problem using my information to set up a account for him to gamble, but I'd also have him tell me the play and I would make the bet.
 

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I fully agree that they probably never assumed it would get to this point, but helping your kid illegally gamble on sports is quite different than sharing a Netflix password.

Honest question-- who is the victim in this? Let's say Hunter is a very bad gambler who loses thousands. I assume they aren't giving the money back, right? Are they pursuing this legally if he lost money?

Or what if Hunter called in bets for his mom to make. They're in the exact same position they would have been with him making his own bets.

Again, he's an idiot for being this brazen. I'm not here to argue against that. But I absolutely think the criminal piece is overkill, and I while I don't agree with it I can see how his folks wound up in this position.
 

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Different people have different values and risk levels. If I had a college aged son I'd have no problem using my information to set up a account for him to gamble, but I'd also have him tell me the play and I would make the bet.
I don’t want to be rude, but I also don’t know how better to say it, you’re kind of ******* weird so this isn’t exactly shocking news.
 

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I've got news for you. He's stupid too, but more devious.
Oh I agree, don't get me wrong the idiots shouldn't have been betting in the first place as they were obviously warned, but being stupid enough to leave an electronic footprint that leads a path straight to you is next level stupid.
 
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Rabbuk

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Honest question-- who is the victim in this? Let's say Hunter is a very bad gambler who loses thousands. I assume they aren't giving the money back, right? Are they pursuing this legally if he lost money?

Or what if Hunter called in bets for his mom to make. They're in the exact same position they would have been with him making his own bets.

Again, he's an idiot for being this brazen. I'm not here to argue against that. But I absolutely think the criminal piece is overkill, and I while I don't agree with it I can see how his folks wound up in this position.
This is true of 95% of laws.
 

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Honest question-- who is the victim in this? Let's say Hunter is a very bad gambler who loses thousands. I assume they aren't giving the money back, right? Are they pursuing this legally if he lost money?

Or what if Hunter called in bets for his mom to make. They're in the exact same position they would have been with him making his own bets.

Again, he's an idiot for being this brazen. I'm not here to argue against that. But I absolutely think the criminal piece is overkill, and I while I don't agree with it I can see how his folks wound up in this position.
Nobody is the victim here as far as I can tell, and there are lots of victimless crimes that maybe shouldn’t be crimes at all. I don’t know if underage gambling is one of them, gambling addiction is very real and I don’t know if letting kids gamble is a great idea, but I’d be open to other thoughts on that. But that doesn’t really change reality at this point when they still are illegal.
 

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Do you know your parents social security number? If your kid asked you for it, wouldn’t you have some follow up questions? Getting that is the only way he could have set up the account. I guess maybe he could get access to it, but leaving that in an accessible place puts the parents squarely in the dumb category.
It would be on their tax return, my kids know where I keep those records and could access it without me knowing...
 
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I’d love to know what a 20 year old needs to use his parents SSN for when said 20 year old doesn’t have a job or so emerging like that to make someone a beneficiary.



Ok, so Hunter stole the SSN off another document and set up the account by himself which is identity theft/fraud. Either that, or his parents set it up/allowed him to set it up with their permission and are complicit. There isn’t an in between.
You are making this more difficult then it likely was. If Hunter told his Mom he needed her SS# for something relating to the university, I doubt she would have even questioned him about it. Kids deceive their parents all the time. They are very good at it.
 

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It would be on their tax return, my kids know where I keep those records and could access it without me knowing...
Yeah our kids are all adults and all have a flash drive with all of the important info for when we croak. But we’re in our 60’s so it seems important to cover the bases. When your parents are older you need to know stuff even for medical issues and not just the grim reaper.
 

AllInForISU

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You are making this more difficult then it likely was. If Hunter told his Mom he needed her SS# for something relating to the university, I doubt she would have even questioned him about it. Kids deceive their parents all the time. They are very good at it.

Then the parents are dumb. Like I said earlier, they are either really dumb, or extremely egotistical to get into a situation like this. There isn’t an alternative.
 
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The other four guys originally linked to this (not Dekkers) aren't in legal trouble because they gambled while they were 21+. They're just in NCAA trouble.

(how I translate the situation right now)

What are the NCAA rules? Like 4 games?