ISU punting

[ISUEmbassy]

The punt is one of the most irrelevant plays in football. It gets so much focus but our punter is averaging about 4 plays per game.

We're averaging 34 yards net per punt. The national average right now is about 40 yards per punt. So we're netting about 6 yards less per punt and about 24 net yards on our punts per game.

That net difference is probably worth like negative 0.1 to negative 0.4 points per game. It's really not that meaningful.

Were you at the iowa game this year? Their punter was the mvp of the game. Repeatedly flipped the field and pinned us deep, which led to all kinds of issues.

My issue w Dunn is that it seems like we are always really close to getting it blocked and that his hang time is not great, so other teams are able to return them consistently

 

[PSYclone22]

Were you at the iowa game this year? Their punter was the mvp of the game. Repeatedly flipped the field and pinned us deep, which led to all kinds of issues.

My issue w Dunn is that it seems like we are always really close to getting it blocked and that his hang time is not great, so other teams are able to return them consistently

No, he was not the MVP of that game. Their defense forcing 4 turnovers was the MVP of that game. Our defense holding them to less than 3 yards per play is what even gave their punter the opportunity to punt as often as he did.

Our own inability to move the ball on offense is what forced us to punt from deep in our own territory. We stopped them ,they punted back into our territory. The only time the field was flipped from pinning them deep to them pinning us deep was when we arbitrarily decided that fielding a punt was against the best interests of winning.

 

[Clark]

You would probably have to mine the play by play for every game.

it's the only way I could find it.

 

[PSYclone22]

it's the only way I could find it.

yeah I went through play-by-play: here's the punts in order.

Punt_No	Distance_from_Endzone	Gross	Net
1​	55​	38​	38​
2​	61​	57​	48​
3​	66​	36​	36​
4​	56​	28​	28​
5​	39​	39​	19​
6​	51​	41​	41​
7​	91​	56​	52​
8​	80​	39​	21​
9​	56​	27​	27​
10​	52​	42​	42​
11​	87​	54​	30​
12​	71​	38​	38​
13​	74​	40​	40​
14​	41​	31​	31​

 

[SolarGarlic]

Were you at the iowa game this year? Their punter was the mvp of the game. Repeatedly flipped the field and pinned us deep, which led to all kinds of issues.

My issue w Dunn is that it seems like we are always really close to getting it blocked and that his hang time is not great, so other teams are able to return them consistently

And how does getting pinned deep affect offensive production? It certainly affected our playcalling. Manning said as much. There are nuances in the game that statistics cannot account for. Analytics nerds would do well to stop presenting analysis as fact. It doesn't work that way, sorry.

 

[WhoISthis]

The punt is one of the most irrelevant plays in football. It gets so much focus but our punter is averaging about 4 plays per game.

We're averaging 34 yards net per punt. The national average right now is about 40 yards per punt. So we're netting about 6 yards less per punt and about 24 net yards on our punts per game.

That net difference is probably worth like negative 0.1 to negative 0.4 points per game. It's really not that meaningful.

When you have two teams trying to play ball control, the difference in the team’s punting and punt return becomes rather important.

Given Dunn’s averageness, with some real downside risk, plus our disaster of a return game, it’s terrible judgement by the staff to want to enhance the importance of this part of the game. Either coach it better, or don’t try to out-ball-control these teams. Did you see the starting field position difference? Part of that are TOs, but part of the TOs are field position. It’s arguable we couldn’t have done worse calling plays as though we’re going for it on 4th down anytime we reach our 40

 

[dualthreat]

To those discounting the difficulty of punting D1, you would be amazed if you went and stood next to those punters while they punted. TV or watching from the stands doesn’t do it justice. These guys can absolutely blast punts.
It’s a little different when you have to catch a rocket snap, only take 1 step, and get a punt off under pressure.
Yeah Iowa has an elite punter, deal with it.

 

[ruxCYtable]

Dunn is too inconsistent for my liking. His average is fine because he either shanks it 20 yards or blasts one 60 yards. He's a liability.

 

[FallOf81]

The punt is one of the most irrelevant plays in football.

And once again the saying comes to surface, "you can't fix stupid."

 

[baagoe]

Dunn is too inconsistent for my liking. His average is fine because he either shanks it 20 yards or blasts one 60 yards. He's a liability.

This is why I think comparing Dunn to Rivera based on their stats is misleading. I can’t remember a bad punt from Rivera. He didn’t bomb it either, but I’ll take the guy with the weaker leg as long as he’s more steady.

 

[CloneinWDSM]

Bump

 

[JP4CY]

Woof

 

[JM4CY]

I don’t freakin get it.

 

[CloneinWDSM]

It got tipped, because he ******* shanked it dead right. Punt it straight and he’s fine.

 

[DeereClone]

Detailz broz

 

[tim_redd]

margins

 

[caulkasian]

Maybe arm punt it on third down next time :|

 

[ISUEmbassy]

Could today be any more of a definition of why punting is incredibly important? One partial block and one line drive with no hang time. Game.

 

[FallOf81]

Could today be any more of a definition of why punting is incredibly important? One partial block and one line drive with no hang time. Game.

Can't fix stupid

 

[ISUEmbassy]

If a DB gets thrown at only four times in a game, and burned for a td or huge play two times, is that irrelevant too? Or a fg kicker misses two out of three? Or a kickoff coverage guy is consistently out of position leading to big returns? "4 plays per game" has zero bearing on importance.