ISU punting
- Thread starter dafarmer
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Not only punting but the whole array of special teams play need an upgrade
Stop with the false authority bull ****.
Our special teams needs work, and has been a weakness for 5 years. Punting often included
They definitely need work, but I feel like they've made a bunch of progress.
Kickoff: Mevis has shored this up. We can expect touchbacks at least half the time. And our coverage has been good. Still have Walling, but guys like Freyler, Purchase and Joey Peterson are starting to show up.
FG: No issues here. Mevis can hit long FGs pretty well and we still have Assalley for short FGs and XPs.
KR: Sanders is only going to get better here. He's had some nice returns already and will grow into the role.
PR: Finally they pull Milton. Noel is much better and he will have a big return eventually. At least we are actually trying to return.
Punt: This is the only unit that is a struggle IMO. Not that Dunn is super bad, he's just inconsistent and the teams we've played have had really good Punters. We've gotten killed on field position because of it. I'd rather go with Shook if he can get us 40 yards a punt than Dunn who may uncork one a game, but also hit a 25 yarder in the same game. I also think that Dunn takes a little too long to get the kick off and that will bite us eventually. I don't have an issue with our punt coverage so far. Hopefully Perkins shores up this position next season.
Yeah. A 31 yarder counts against his average but if downed inside the 20 he did his job.
Dunn attempted 2 rugby kicks against Iowa in 2018 which were his first punts of his career. It didn't go well and he never rugby kicked again. He finished 2018 averaging 40 yards and nearly half were downed within the 20 yard line. He had an achilles injury and was out for 2019, otherwise I expect he would have kept the starting job.
I'm going to keep defending Dunn from the hot takes on CF that are based on poor memory and not the facts that are in front of us. And I'm apparently going to have to keep doing it until the heat death of the universe. Out of 68 attempts Dunn averages 40.4 yards with 2 touchbacks, 29 inside the 20 yard line, 13 punts over 50 yards, and only one blocked punt in his career.
He's not perfect. But he's a damn good punter and this board should appreciate him more, IMO.
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Rivera, who I never heard this board ***** about had 101 attempts, averaged 40.6 yards, 7 touchbacks, 41 inside the 20, 18 over 50 yards, and 0 blocks.
| Dunn | Rivera | |
| Attempts | 68 | 101 |
| Average yards | 40.4 | 40.6 |
| Touchbacks | 2 (3%) | 7 (7%) |
| Inside the 20 yard line | 29 (43%) | 41 (41%) |
| Over 50+ | 13 (19%) | 18 (18%) |
| Blocked punts | 1 (1.5%) | 0 |
Remind me again what's the difference between these punters?
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Include some info on net punting and you might only have to keep at it until the sun runs out of hydrogen in 5 billion years.
Well now look what you guys did, you made that poor guy's parent come on here and defend him.
I'm 4 years older than Dunn so I'd be surprised. I'm just frustrated because I can't count how many times I've seen on here and reddit Dunn get disparaged as being a bad punter when the facts don't bear that out.
He's not a good punter. His average is meh, and if he always kicked at that average (other than when trying to pin guys inside the 10) he'd be a meh punter.
But he doesn't always do that. Against UNI he had punt of 28 yards. Against Iowa he had a punt of 27 yards (neither resulting with opponents possession inside the 20)
Back to 2018, not counting the Iowa game which you say is an outlier against OU he had a punt of 34 yards, Akron a punt of 29 yards, OSU 22 yards, Tech had 1 blocked for TD, 33 yards against Texas. In his career he's had 1 punt downed inside the 5 (at the 4)
So this isn't just some blip, this is who he is. He's good for one shank every 6 punts or so and one boomer every 10 punts or so.
To add onto this, the stats that were posted are wrong. 18/68 punts is actually 26%, meaning he is good for a good punt (50+yards) more than probably he gets credit for. However, that also means 1/4 of punts are going LESS THAN 30 yards. That's unacceptable and fairly leads to a lot of criticism.
Also while on the subject of punting, the inside the 20 stat is so outdated and overrated it makes me eyeroll every time I see it brought up.
That stat was useful 30 years ago but punters have gotten so much better since then. For instance, if you're punting from your opponents 48 and hit a 29 yard punt, you get credit for "pinning them inside the 20" but that is a really crappy punt by todays standards.
A decent punter if punting from midfield or closer should almost never have the ball stopped outside the 10-12 yard line. A good punter will consistently put it inside the 10 and a great one inside the 5.
That stat was useful 30 years ago but punters have gotten so much better since then. For instance, if you're punting from your opponents 48 and hit a 29 yard punt, you get credit for "pinning them inside the 20" but that is a really crappy punt by todays standards.
A decent punter if punting from midfield or closer should almost never have the ball stopped outside the 10-12 yard line. A good punter will consistently put it inside the 10 and a great one inside the 5.
It's pretty amazing how many people refer back to his 1st kick for us ever, and act like that's who he is.
Typo on my part. It's 13/68 so the percentage was correct. My point though is that Dunn and Rivera have very similar stats. But I never see anyone complaining about how Rivera was so unreliable like Dunn gets. I agree that Dunn kicks some ducks. But I think people are primed to expect it from him and thus it sticks more in their mind.
Does anyone have a source with stats for every kick? I've only been able to find stats at a game level.
You would probably have to mine the play by play for every game.
The punt is one of the most irrelevant plays in football. It gets so much focus but our punter is averaging about 4 plays per game.
We're averaging 34 yards net per punt. The national average right now is about 40 yards per punt. So we're netting about 6 yards less per punt and about 24 net yards on our punts per game.
That net difference is probably worth like negative 0.1 to negative 0.4 points per game. It's really not that meaningful.
