ISU the "54th" most talented team...

[cymonw1980]

ISU is the "54th most talented team" based on 247sports... Oregon is now #9.

"No. 54 Iowa State: The Cyclones rank behind programs like Illinois, UCF and Oregon State in these rankings. Yet Iowa State came a possession away from the 2020 Big 12 title and won a Fiesta Bowl. Nobody is doing more with less than Matt Campbell."

They can't just say "our rankings got it wrong"... it's ISU is "doing more with less"... meanwhile..

Mike Rose 3 star by 247, pre-season all american (started since day 1, was freshman all american as well)
Greg Eisworth 3 star by 247, pre-season all american
Charlie Kolar 3 star by 247, pre-season all american
Will McDonald 3 star by 247, led the country in sacks last year...

This is not the "54th most talented team", they are not "doing more with less talent". Campbell and Co. are finding the talent overlooked by others by out working them.

Examining the 2021 Team Talent Composite: The rich get richer

Alabama has its most talented roster ever, while Georgia and Ohio State are nipping on their heels.

247sports.com

 

[Cyclonepride]

ISU is the "54th most talented team" based on 247sports... Oregon is now #9.

"No. 54 Iowa State: The Cyclones rank behind programs like Illinois, UCF and Oregon State in these rankings. Yet Iowa State came a possession away from the 2020 Big 12 title and won a Fiesta Bowl. Nobody is doing more with less than Matt Campbell."

They can't just say "our rankings got it wrong"... it's ISU is "doing more with less"... meanwhile..

Mike Rose 3 star by 247, pre-season all american (started since day 1, was freshman all american as well)
Greg Eisworth 3 star by 247, pre-season all american
Charlie Kolar 3 star by 247, pre-season all american
Will McDonald 3 star by 247, led the country in sacks last year...

This is not the "54th most talented team", they are not "doing more with less talent". Campbell and Co. are finding the talent overlooked by others by out working them.

Examining the 2021 Team Talent Composite: The rich get richer

Alabama has its most talented roster ever, while Georgia and Ohio State are nipping on their heels.

247sports.com

When you clearly believe your own ******** more than you believe your own eyes.

 

[EvilBetty]

you should write them a strongly worded letter

It says right in the article "based on how their players ranked in high school." It is not based on how good the players are right now.

Also from the article " Obviously, some players fail to live up to the hype while others outperform expectations"

They don't rerank players after they are on a team. It is just from their HS rankings.

 

[Cloneon]

When you clearly believe your own ******** more than you believe your own eyes.

Sadly, it's part of our culture. Not sure why.

 

[bozclone]

I trust CMC to evaluate talent over any 247 employee.

 

[dualthreat]

Recruiting services refuse to believe in any flaws with their metrics. It's never "I was wrong" they just sidestep their errors and point the finger elsewhere.

Like Coach Campbell said (when asked about Mike Rose, etc. only being a 2-star) "Yeah, I wonder what they'd be ranked now?"

 

[BMWallace]

ISU is the "54th most talented team" based on 247sports... Oregon is now #9.

"No. 54 Iowa State: The Cyclones rank behind programs like Illinois, UCF and Oregon State in these rankings. Yet Iowa State came a possession away from the 2020 Big 12 title and won a Fiesta Bowl. Nobody is doing more with less than Matt Campbell."

They can't just say "our rankings got it wrong"... it's ISU is "doing more with less"... meanwhile..

Mike Rose 3 star by 247, pre-season all american (started since day 1, was freshman all american as well)
Greg Eisworth 3 star by 247, pre-season all american
Charlie Kolar 3 star by 247, pre-season all american
Will McDonald 3 star by 247, led the country in sacks last year...

This is not the "54th most talented team", they are not "doing more with less talent". Campbell and Co. are finding the talent overlooked by others by out working them.

Examining the 2021 Team Talent Composite: The rich get richer

Alabama has its most talented roster ever, while Georgia and Ohio State are nipping on their heels.

247sports.com

I understand the urge to be salty about the description here. There are absolutely flaws in these national ranking systems. They are usually focused on the areas with a high density of recruits: Georgia, Florida, Texas, California. On top of that they tend to under rate multi-sport high schoolers, because they aren't as focused on getting in front of the evaluators.

Both of those tend to hurt the ratings for the kind of players that Campbell and staff go after. But, Campbell and staff have shown that they are among the best in the game at developing players, and maximizing talent. At the end of the day the stars next to a kids name don't matter, the results on the field do.

 

[Alswelk]

I understand the urge to be salty about the description here. There are absolutely flaws in these national ranking systems. They are usually focused on the areas with a high density of recruits: Georgia, Florida, Texas, California. On top of that they tend to under rate multi-sport high schoolers, because they aren't as focused on getting in front of the evaluators.

Both of those tend to hurt the ratings for the kind of players that Campbell and staff go after. But, Campbell and staff have shown that they are among the best in the game at developing players, and maximizing talent. At the end of the day the stars next to a kids name don't matter, the results on the field do.

But but muh starzz! Muh offerzz!!!!11

 

[JM4CY]

I understand the urge to be salty about the description here. There are absolutely flaws in these national ranking systems. They are usually focused on the areas with a high density of recruits: Georgia, Florida, Texas, California. On top of that they tend to under rate multi-sport high schoolers, because they aren't as focused on getting in front of the evaluators.

Both of those tend to hurt the ratings for the kind of players that Campbell and staff go after. But, Campbell and staff have shown that they are among the best in the game at developing players, and maximizing talent. At the end of the day the stars next to a kids name don't matter, the results on the field do.

I agree. But That really doesn’t matter though. Ranking is that low is beyond inexcusable and a slap in the face of the coaching staff.

 

[Remo Gaggi]

ISU is the "54th most talented team" based on 247sports... Oregon is now #9.

"No. 54 Iowa State: The Cyclones rank behind programs like Illinois, UCF and Oregon State in these rankings. Yet Iowa State came a possession away from the 2020 Big 12 title and won a Fiesta Bowl. Nobody is doing more with less than Matt Campbell."

They can't just say "our rankings got it wrong"... it's ISU is "doing more with less"... meanwhile..

Mike Rose 3 star by 247, pre-season all american (started since day 1, was freshman all american as well)
Greg Eisworth 3 star by 247, pre-season all american
Charlie Kolar 3 star by 247, pre-season all american
Will McDonald 3 star by 247, led the country in sacks last year...

This is not the "54th most talented team", they are not "doing more with less talent". Campbell and Co. are finding the talent overlooked by others by out working them.

Examining the 2021 Team Talent Composite: The rich get richer

Alabama has its most talented roster ever, while Georgia and Ohio State are nipping on their heels.

247sports.com

Did Chris Hassel write this article?

 

[Neptune78]

The writer is probably a guy that also still runs with the-- "They don't play defense in the Big12".
Yawn.

 

[convoluteme]

I agree. But That really doesn’t matter though. Ranking is that low is beyond inexcusable and a slap in the face of the coaching staff.

It's based on ratings as recruits. It's not an evaluation of ISU's talent as it stands now.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

you should write them a strongly worded letter

It says right in the article "based on how their players ranked in high school." It is not based on how good the players are right now.

Also from the article " Obviously, some players fail to live up to the hype while others outperform expectations"

They don't rerank players after they are on a team. It is just from their HS rankings.

They play with tense to push their article. It does reference how they were ranked, but then they also say "nobody does more with less" implying the present situation.

The article is just more click-bait. Saying we are the 54th most talented team now based on their high school rankings is like saying Ryan Leaf was the most talented quarterback in the NFL two years after he was drafted #1.

 

[ozzie8]

That's absurd

 

[cyclones12321]

I trust CMC to evaluate talent over any 247 employee.

This, if CMC wants a player whether 1 star or 5 star I fully trust he knows what he wants from that player and can maximize their ability and always seems to find hard working team oriented guys no matter their rating

 

[knowlesjam]

Obvious rhetorical question here...would you rather be ISU with the 54th average recruiting class, but top 10 performance, or a team like Texas, Florida State, or Michigan, with top 10 recruiting classes and performances well outside the top 10?

Shrug off the perceived slight and enjoy to ride!

 

[cymonw1980]

you should write them a strongly worded letter

It says right in the article "based on how their players ranked in high school." It is not based on how good the players are right now.

yes, i understand that. But no one frames it like that... it is just "this is the talent level at each of these schools"...


national media writers do this all the time and did this during the playoff ranking shows as well…. “ISU doesn’t have the same talent level”.. blah blah blah..

This writer even made the case that Oregon should be ranked ahead of ISU based on “talent”…. Yet we just crushed them… apparently only high school talent rankings matter but actual on field performance means nothing.

 

[SeaClone]

you should write them a strongly worded letter

It says right in the article "based on how their players ranked in high school." It is not based on how good the players are right now.

Also from the article " Obviously, some players fail to live up to the hype while others outperform expectations"

They don't rerank players after they are on a team. It is just from their HS rankings.

While the rankings are based on their HS rankings of players, the entire article is written with the non-rebuttable presumption that talent level of a roster equals composition of the 247 composite rankings. ("But don’t lose sight of how insane it is that the 2021 Tide are actually more talented...", "Oregon has overtaken USC as the most talented team in the Pac-12", "Clemson’s pair of national titles ..have its talent level on a tier closer to the big three...", " But there have been better rosters in Austin recently...", "It’s almost shocking how much talent the Vols still have after an offseason exodus. This is not a good roster.", ).

There is also an implication is that any deviation from the 247-defined talent level order is due to anything other than the talent level order being incorrect. (" With the exception of an Iowa State or Cincinnati anomaly ...", " Other teams in Nebraska’s footprint, like Iowa State, Iowa or even Kansas State, win consistently with far less talent", " [Iowa] is among the most consistent teams in the country despite less talent than most Big Ten programs").

 

[cymonw1980]

While the rankings are based on their HS rankings of players, the entire article is written with the non-rebuttable presumption that talent level of a roster equals composition of the 247 composite rankings. ("But don’t lose sight of how insane it is that the 2021 Tide are actually more talented...", "Oregon has overtaken USC as the most talented team in the Pac-12", "Clemson’s pair of national titles ..have its talent level on a tier closer to the big three...", " But there have been better rosters in Austin recently...", "It’s almost shocking how much talent the Vols still have after an offseason exodus. This is not a good roster.", ).

There is also an implication is that any deviation from the 247-defined talent level order is due to anything other than the talent level order being incorrect. (" With the exception of an Iowa State or Cincinnati anomaly ...", " Other teams in Nebraska’s footprint, like Iowa State, Iowa or even Kansas State, win consistently with far less talent", " [Iowa] is among the most consistent teams in the country despite less talent than most Big Ten programs").

Exactly. And it is not just 247 anymore. Many lazy takes by national media based on "247 composite" talent ratings... Well clearly team xyz has talent, just look at their ratings.... It's like on field performance in college means nothing.. just what recruiting analysts thought of them coming out of HS.

Aaron Rodgers was a 3 star coming out of JUCO... I am not killing these guys for being wrong.... draft analysts / NFL teams get college players wrong all the time - much harder to eveluated HS kids. I clearly can not do better (otherwise I would quite my job and join an NFL front office tomorrow). The problem I have is the arrogance that the ranking is never wrong, the coaches are garbage at nebraska, tenn, tex (might be true), or, the coaches are the best at turning lemons into lemonade (at places like ISU). There is some truth to recruit and develop... But Rose had one P5 offer (ISU) and was a 3 star, yet started from day one and was a freshman all american. Nothing to do with years of development... just a really talented player overlooked and found by a hard working staff.

Stop with the talent at ISU is not elite... let's see what happens after this season. Just waiting for future draft classes:

McDonald
Hall
Kolar
Purdy
Newell
Downing
Rose
etc.

A player should not be defined by his recruiting ranking until he is ranked by the NFL draft analyst. The issue is it is really hard to rank every roster with real analysis of how good individual players are... much easier to look at 247 and say school abc is #54 in talent....

 

[Die4Cy]

It's like election polling that fails to predict results accurately. If you lean on 247 rankings of high school kids as the main measure of talent you're going to have a bad time accurately comparing teams like Iowa State. #54 talent team should probably finish about .500 in the grand scheme of things. Obviously, there is more to it than that.

I have a problem with journalism in general but national sports journalism in particular. Most are just cranking out dreck for the paycheck.