Jeremiah Cooper NIL representation

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I think after awhile people are going to realize there aren't many schools that can "buy" a championship and the money will start drying up. NIL is still pretty new so people will see what kind of bang for their buck they will get but even donors at schools like Ohio State eventually are going to grow weary if the millions in NIL they cough up don't result in consistent Big 10 and National championships. Losing 3 in a row to Michigan now probably has some donors peeved too that they aren't seeing a return on their investment at the moment.

Realistically I get why people push the NIL narrative that we need to keep up to stay competitive but let's face it, the kind of guys we are trying to retain or recruit with NIL money aren't exactly 5 star recruits or the top guys in the transfer portal at the moment and even if we were able to get into that market you still have to go up against the traditional power schools to land those guys. Not trying to be negative but that's just the reality that even at ISU you probably couldn't go out and buy a national title in football even if you had the money available to attempt it

They'll fire a coach first before they look inward at their own decisions. It's similar to pro sports, it's not the players the GM brought it, it's the coaches fault for not using the players correctly.
 

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You also may have a group of players that came in as freshmen and now one of them gets bumped out of their spot for this new guy with a bag of cash. They want to win, but the chemistry may be off since they are ticked that their buddy is now the back up running back and not the starter his senior year.
You might be talking about Texas A&M. From what I can tell they are the epitome of NIL gone wild. With all their player acquisition thru bags of cash they have managed to go about 7-5 each year with a home loss to App State.
 
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Which is nearly 6 hours from Lubbock lol
Ok? Ames is 17 1/2 hours from El Paso. What’s your point?

I was only pointing that it’s not “crazy”that he would go back there with some cash in hand. His top 5 schools before committing were TT, Baylor, SMU, Arizona, and of course ISU.
 

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Speaking about NIL only: I think we need to embrace our position in the market. Sell to recruits that ISU can be a springboard of opportunity for them to go get a big / bigger NIL deal from the blue bloods of college football or basketball. We can be their first college platform as a younger player.

Take for instance the Tyrese Hunter situation, would have loved if we sold that not as a loss, but as an opportunity for him that was created by playing for ISU. He thanks ISU on the way out, reports a big $ deal, and we market that.

Seems like we are always going to lose the $ game when it comes to NIL, have to find some competitive advantage in the NIL arena.
 

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Speaking about NIL only: I think we need to embrace our position in the market. Sell to recruits that ISU can be a springboard of opportunity for them to go get a big / bigger NIL deal from the blue bloods of college football or basketball. We can be their first college platform as a younger player.

Take for instance the Tyrese Hunter situation, would have loved if we sold that not as a loss, but as an opportunity for him that was created by playing for ISU. He thanks ISU on the way out, reports a big $ deal, and we market that.

Seems like we are always going to lose the $ game when it comes to NIL, have to find some competitive advantage in the NIL arena.
OK, so your pitch to recruits sounds like l- hey, come play for us, and let us spend time and resources developing you, then go somewhere else where they’ll pay you more money?
 
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It seems to me that the deeper these "unaffiliated" NIL groups get into it, the more legal hairballs there will be, particularly if there are any stipulations to it. Makes it really hard to not call them employees when a school's NIL group makes agreements that the school then adheres to.

It makes no sense to me that athletes can sign endorsement deals with companies plus random groups are getting them pay-for-play money. Why wouldn't the school just pay the players directly? Is it to avoid the perception (and inevitable lawsuit) that athletes are not employees? What other industry has third party groups committing to give money to someone for attending a specific organization? It's the same as Political Action Committess, in a way. Imagine if a group of rich guys created an "unaffiliated group" to pay a pro QB multi-millions to sign with a certain team over another. Would the NFL step in? Could they?

The system has created a totally unnecessary third party to pay players.
 
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It makes no sense to me that athletes can sign endorsement deals with companies plus random groups are getting them pay-for-play money. Why wouldn't the school just pay the players directly? Is it to avoid the perception (and inevitable lawsuit) that athletes are not employees? What other industry has third party groups committing to give money to someone for attending a specific organization? It's the same as Political Action Committess, in a way. Imagine if a group of rich guys created an "unaffiliated group" to pay a pro QB multi-millions to sign with a certain team over another. Would the NFL step in? Could they?

The system has created a totally unnecessary third party to pay players.
I think there are a whole bunch of implications to having them classified as employees and it is easier/cheaper to create and work within a convoluted system. Eventually, the ties are going to get too strong to legally avoid it.
 

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Speaking about NIL only: I think we need to embrace our position in the market. Sell to recruits that ISU can be a springboard of opportunity for them to go get a big / bigger NIL deal from the blue bloods of college football or basketball. We can be their first college platform as a younger player.

Take for instance the Tyrese Hunter situation, would have loved if we sold that not as a loss, but as an opportunity for him that was created by playing for ISU. He thanks ISU on the way out, reports a big $ deal, and we market that.

Seems like we are always going to lose the $ game when it comes to NIL, have to find some competitive advantage in the NIL arena.
Lot of good points with this. The staff are college football coaches first and not salespeople, but a good salesperson is always finding a way to win somehow or persuasively show benefit to the person they're pitching creatively. Take the loss and turn it into a positive.

I hope they're also looking at the opportunity NIL provides to us. We can also attract great guys from smaller programs who have done well and fit our culture. There's just more uncertainty with every offseason now. Might as well focus on what we can control and what we can do for ISU's athletes. Hopefully someone at ISU is talking to them about the benefit-drawback analysis and trying to weigh the factors in favor of ISU. Would you want to accept $500K of taxable income from this collective and take a risk that moving to Texas A&M may recruit over you or you may not play at all (see e.g. Ish Young or others) sabotaging your long term career / NFL hopes, or accept $125K of taxable income here at ISU and stay at ISU where you know you've proven you're a starter next year and can keep your NFL stock rising and build upon your legacy here? When you weigh those considerations, what sounds like a better bet?

I don't know about the numbers, but I'm just trying to imagine what we can sell at ISU and how that conversation will go with a highly sought after proven starter transfer like Cooper could be and the numbers that might be reasonable. There is no factual basis for my numbers above. Actually, the taxable income may not be that smart to sell in Iowa where income is taxable vs Texas where there's no state income tax....
 
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Speaking about NIL only: I think we need to embrace our position in the market. Sell to recruits that ISU can be a springboard of opportunity for them to go get a big / bigger NIL deal from the blue bloods of college football or basketball. We can be their first college platform as a younger player.

Take for instance the Tyrese Hunter situation, would have loved if we sold that not as a loss, but as an opportunity for him that was created by playing for ISU. He thanks ISU on the way out, reports a big $ deal, and we market that.

Seems like we are always going to lose the $ game when it comes to NIL, have to find some competitive advantage in the NIL arena.
This is certainly a take.
 

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Apply it to dating life. You tell a hot girl "just date me until someone better looking and more money comes along, but in the mean time I will teach you all the skills you need."
It’s like the opposite of most guys college “dating life”. It’s quarter to 2, bar is closing. Look around, which girls are left without a guy on their arm…..take your shot
 
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Apply it to dating life. You tell a hot girl "just date me until someone better looking and more money comes along, but in the mean time I will teach you all the skills you need."
Sign me up.
We may just have to accept our role in the game "money ball" that D1 college football has rapidly become.
Until the Era of much tighter regulation, caps, rules, etc. And that ship may have already sailed.
Fill the Jack and swamp Cy Town. Facilities, sound coaching staff, and GameDay atmosphere will at least keep us more competitive.
 
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