Jerome Tiller

[TheCity]

All of you JT haters... what is wrong with you... what has JT done that makes you have so little faith in the guy? my guess is while AA was playing you would chat along with all the other students for JT. I'll even bet that you did it to B. Meyer as well. Face it the majority of you are bandwagoners if someone is ranging on one of em you join in.

Could you perform under the condidtions that our QB's were in, No WR behind a decent offensive line no one to throw the football to. JT has shown that he can take care of the football (even AA couldnt do that well) he can create and behind the OL next year he has to create for himself. Jantz from what I have seen of him cannot do that consistantly.

JT has the edge on everyone he has the D1 experience!

:nah:
I dont think the best way to justify anybody is to try to point the finger at others. I believe JT is a good QB. I also believe that our WR's are good with room to improve. Our line is on their way too! We must see growth in our players as a whole in order to be a better team. This season will be critical for Paul Rhoads and staff. Will the Offensive Line improve? (I hope so), will the Wide receivers? (I trust they will), will the system be effective this year? (I believe)!
I wish the best for the team, all players included! I have high hopes and that's the only way to think.

Work hard JT, Jimmy Capello, Jantz, Barnett, Richardson, Money, and everyone else that will be wearing that Cardinal and Gold this year!

CYCLONE
POWER!!!

 

[CyVik7]

Don't be dumb.

I can guarantee you that nobody knows who will be our starting QB next season. Not even Paul Rhoads.

I can also guarantee you that Tiller is #1 as of this moment. No doubt. If our coaching staff annoints a JUCO QB to the #1 spot ahead of a guy that has been with this program for 3 years busting his tail off awaiting his chance... then we need new coaches. That is not fair to Jerome Tiller whatsoever.... and if that were the case, I'd transfer right now if I were James Capello or Jared Barnett.

That's not to say that Jerome Tiller will be our starting QB next year... not at all. But he will be going into spring... and he should be... until (or if) he gets beaten out by anyone else on the roster.

And do NOT discount Capello, Barnett, Richardson, etc either. Everyone will have a shot to prove themselves. As they should.

But you don't put in 3 years of blood and sweat in the program to be told you're getting the boot for some JUCO kid that the coaches haven't even seen practice once yet as a Cyclone. Those 3 years of faith and hard work to this school and coaches HAS to mean something. If not, then why would any kid put in the time and effort to get to the top?

Tiller is the guy... unless someone can knock him off. And I'm sure Tiller will welcome the competition if he's a competitive and confident kid... which I'm sure he is. But Rhoads is NOT going to annoint some JUCO kid ahead of Tiller without at least seeing him practice with his own two eyes on the Cyclone practice field going up against much better competition. It just isn't going to happen.

+1

Very well said. Its the truth.

 

[Frak]

Just my opinion on the matter:

AA said what he had to say. JT is his boy. AA has zero connection to Jantz and hasn't seen enough of Barnett.

JT no doubt will take the first snap as a starter this spring. Where it goes from there is all conjecture. Just my personal opinion, JT is NOT the starter this fall. He'll start spring #1 and probably end it 1A, but by the time two-a-days are up, JT will either be at #2, #3 or WR. Here are my reasons for this:

1.ISU's offense averaged a whopping 9 offensive ppg with Tiller playing in 4.5 games. That is ranging from tough games like Nebraska in Lincoln to cakewalks like UNI in Ames. Every...single...game that JT plays in, ISU's offense bogs down to a crawl. So, through three years of development, it's the same old JT, but now in the matter of a couple months, he's going to make a huge leap forward??? No. At this point, JT is JT.

2.Herman's reputation and name are on the line. He came in as a wonderkind. Now ISU has basically won in spite of him. Herman was forced to use a QB in AA that didn't fit his offense because he was a great leader, local hometown boy and returning starter. Do you REALLY think that Herman is going to spend two MORE years with someone else's guy at QB?

3.Steele Jantz. You don't go get a JUCO QB if you don't think he can start. And then offer his favorite WR on top of it? Sorry, Jantz is going to be the starter unless Barnett really steps up.

4.Tiller's attitude. We've heard from coaches that JT needs to take the position more seriously. I don't think that he has a bad attitude, but it is more carefree and less intense than AA was. I think that he needs to grow up and put the work in if he really wants to start.

Like I said, I think that Tiller will end spring 1A in the competition. When fall comes, he is either the backup or asked to switch positions.

 

[ISUFan22]

Didn't take long for the resident WR expert to come in and defend an obvious underperforming group. :wideeyed:

As far as Tiller - clearly a very good athlete. QB? Jury is out. What I have seen so far does not lead me to believe in any way that he can lead a Big 12 team with this style of offense. If JT is our QB, it's because we either completely changed our offensive scheme or we simply had no other options but to start him.

I'm sure people will get uppity and complain there is yet another post "bashing" JT. I have nothing against him. I'd love it if he proved me wrong. But I watched him enough to know I do not feel good with him throwing the ball. Clearly, neither did the coaching staff - because the offense became tighter than a 40 year old abusing Preparation H.

 

[IcSyU]

All of you JT haters... what is wrong with you... what has JT done that makes you have so little faith in the guy? my guess is while AA was playing you would chat along with all the other students for JT. I'll even bet that you did it to B. Meyer as well. Face it the majority of you are bandwagoners if someone is ranging on one of em you join in.

Could you perform under the condidtions that our QB's were in, No WR behind a decent offensive line no one to throw the football to. JT has shown that he can take care of the football (even AA couldnt do that well) he can create and behind the OL next year he has to create for himself. Jantz from what I have seen of him cannot do that consistantly.

JT has the edge on everyone he has the D1 experience!

So little faith?
9 offensive points against Nebraska in 2009..and it took a fake punt to set up the TD
10 points against A&M in 2009...who had an ATROCIOUS defense (47 to Arkansas, 36 to Oklahoma State, 62 to Kansas State, 35 to Colorado, 65 to Oklahoma, 49 to Texas, 44 to Georgia).
13 points against UNI...and he was absolutely terrible. 11/22 for 87 yards is pathetic. UNI should never put up more offense than we did, and they did with ease.
0 points against Missouri.

I could be wrong, but from skimming box scores, I don't think he's ever lead a touchdown drive over 60 yards.

*note: I wasn't one chanting for Tiller. Anyone with half of a brain realized AA was the better QB and it wasn't even close.

Barely over 50% passing in his career, pathetic yards per attempt, and a pathetic INT/TD ratio. And he can create? He took 13 sacks this year. His BEST rating is the only rating above AA's average. The rest are horrendous.

We are in a TON of trouble if Tiller is the starter next year.

 

[Capello]

So little faith?
9 offensive points against Nebraska in 2009..and it took a fake punt to set up the TD
10 points against A&M in 2009...who had an ATROCIOUS defense (47 to Arkansas, 36 to Oklahoma State, 62 to Kansas State, 35 to Colorado, 65 to Oklahoma, 49 to Texas, 44 to Georgia).
13 points against UNI...and he was absolutely terrible. 11/22 for 87 yards is pathetic. UNI should never put up more offense than we did, and they did with ease.
0 points against Missouri.

I could be wrong, but from skimming box scores, I don't think he's ever lead a touchdown drive over 60 yards.

*note: I wasn't one chanting for Tiller. Anyone with half of a brain realized AA was the better QB and it wasn't even close.

Barely over 50% passing in his career, pathetic yards per attempt, and a pathetic INT/TD ratio. And he can create? He took 13 sacks this year. His BEST rating is the only rating above AA's average. The rest are horrendous.

We are in a TON of trouble if Tiller is the starter next year.

I thought i made it clear who the starting Q/B would be!!!

T>Capello

 

[VeloClone]

I thought i made it clear who the starting Q/B would be!!!

T>Capello

So are you saying Tiller is greater than Capello???:wideeyed:

 

[Yes13]

Didn't take long for the resident WR expert to come in and defend an obvious underperforming group. :wideeyed:

As far as Tiller - clearly a very good athlete. QB? Jury is out. What I have seen so far does not lead me to believe in any way that he can lead a Big 12 team with this style of offense. If JT is our QB, it's because we either completely changed our offensive scheme or we simply had no other options but to start him.

I'm sure people will get uppity and complain there is yet another post "bashing" JT. I have nothing against him. I'd love it if he proved me wrong. But I watched him enough to know I do not feel good with him throwing the ball. Clearly, neither did the coaching staff - because the offense became tighter than a 40 year old abusing Preparation H.

Our WRs played a huge role in our Texas win. I think everyone just has a bad taste in their mouth after the Missouri debacle.

I agree with your last paragraph. I think the people that want Tiller are the same people that wanted him to start over Arnaud last year. He's just not a very good passer, and I think his athleticism is overrated. He also struggles with the zone read. He keeps it everytime, and probably stole at least 3 20+ yard runs from Arob against Mizzou. I hope he does improve, and proves me wrong. I would love for this post to be mocked next year after our 8+ win season with Tiller in charge.

 

[CyDude16]

So little faith?
9 offensive points against Nebraska in 2009..and it took a fake punt to set up the TD
10 points against A&M in 2009...who had an ATROCIOUS defense (47 to Arkansas, 36 to Oklahoma State, 62 to Kansas State, 35 to Colorado, 65 to Oklahoma, 49 to Texas, 44 to Georgia).
13 points against UNI...and he was absolutely terrible. 11/22 for 87 yards is pathetic. UNI should never put up more offense than we did, and they did with ease.
0 points against Missouri.

I could be wrong, but from skimming box scores, I don't think he's ever lead a touchdown drive over 60 yards.

*note: I wasn't one chanting for Tiller. Anyone with half of a brain realized AA was the better QB and it wasn't even close.

Barely over 50% passing in his career, pathetic yards per attempt, and a pathetic INT/TD ratio. And he can create? He took 13 sacks this year. His BEST rating is the only rating above AA's average. The rest are horrendous.

We are in a TON of trouble if Tiller is the starter next year.

How dare you use common sense and facts about performances we have seen out of JT so far!

We've seen more then most teams get to see out of a potential starter after a graduating qb, and I for one have been far from impressed. Heck of an athlete? Sure. Heck of QB? Not looking likely.

 

[cycloneG]

Our WRs played a huge role in our Texas win. I think everyone just has a bad taste in their mouth after the Missouri debacle.

I agree with your last paragraph. I think the people that want Tiller are the same people that wanted him to start over Arnaud last year. He's just not a very good passer, and I think his athleticism is overrated. He also struggles with the zone read. He keeps it everytime, and probably stole at least 3 20+ yard runs from Arob against Mizzou. I hope he does improve, and proves me wrong. I would love for this post to be mocked next year after our 8+ win season with Tiller in charge.

Actually, the majority of people saying Tiller will be the #1 going into the spring are the same people who were defending AA all last season. The people who wanted Tiller to start over AA are the ones saying Jantz will be the starter.

 

[CyDude16]

Our WRs played a huge role in our Texas win. I think everyone just has a bad taste in their mouth after the Missouri debacle.

I agree with your last paragraph. I think the people that want Tiller are the same people that wanted him to start over Arnaud last year. He's just not a very good passer, and I think his athleticism is overrated. He also struggles with the zone read. He keeps it everytime, and probably stole at least 3 20+ yard runs from Arob against Mizzou. I hope he does improve, and proves me wrong. I would love for this post to be mocked next year after our 8+ win season with Tiller in charge.

One big win doesnt mean we're going to overlook the past two years of a lot underperforming.

 

[IcSyU]

I thought i made it clear who the starting Q/B would be!!!

T>Capello

I can't be the only person who would be ridiculously embarrassed by a parent of mine posting like this on a message board.

 

[ISUFan22]

Our WRs played a huge role in our Texas win. I think everyone just has a bad taste in their mouth after the Missouri debacle.

One game. No bad taste here, seeing how I was saying the same thing since the season started. Just facts about the WR group.

 

[ISUFan22]

I can't be the only person who would be ridiculously embarrassed by a parent of mine posting like this on a message board.

Nothing good comes from this. NOTHING.

And I see it ending not so well.

 

[Cyforce]

I can't be the only person who would be ridiculously embarrassed by a parent of mine posting like this on a message board.

The mods go out of their way to protect him but I agree this could end very ugly.

 

[TheCity]

Didn't take long for the resident WR expert to come in and defend an obvious underperforming group. :wideeyed:

As far as Tiller - clearly a very good athlete. QB? Jury is out. What I have seen so far does not lead me to believe in any way that he can lead a Big 12 team with this style of offense. If JT is our QB, it's because we either completely changed our offensive scheme or we simply had no other options but to start him.

I'm sure people will get uppity and complain there is yet another post "bashing" JT. I have nothing against him. I'd love it if he proved me wrong. But I watched him enough to know I do not feel good with him throwing the ball. Clearly, neither did the coaching staff - because the offense became tighter than a 40 year old abusing Preparation H.

Thank you for considering me an expert. The WR's themselves know they have underperformed my friend. I was defending the team as a whole. If any of our WR's thought that they had reached the pinnacle they would be sadly mistaken. Please forgive me if I offended you by stating my opinion. I believe things will get better. That is all.

God Bless you ISUFan22!

CYCLONE POWER!!!

 

[Tre4ISU]

I will only defend Tiller in one instance and that is the Missouri game. He held up his end of the bargain numerous times on key plays only to be let down by dropped balls. IMO, he played well enough for us to win that game. Was it a beautiful display of passing? No, certainly not but it was good enough for probably 15 points. Remember, in that game, outside of the dropped balls, there were two missed FGs and a dropped pick six everyone seems to forget about. Sure, "good enough to win" isn't a ringing endorsement, but good enough to beat a pretty good Mizzou team is alright with me. On the other side, he didn't do anything against aTm or UNI and made once play for a touchdown and a couple really nice runs to flip the field against Nebraska. Again, not exactly running away with the position. I don't think anyone knows how anyone will develop. JT is now in a spot where instead of being the clear cut backup, he is right in the thick of it. It all depends on how he responds.

 

[Frak]

So little faith?
9 offensive points against Nebraska in 2009..and it took a fake punt to set up the TD
10 points against A&M in 2009...who had an ATROCIOUS defense (47 to Arkansas, 36 to Oklahoma State, 62 to Kansas State, 35 to Colorado, 65 to Oklahoma, 49 to Texas, 44 to Georgia).
13 points against UNI...and he was absolutely terrible. 11/22 for 87 yards is pathetic. UNI should never put up more offense than we did, and they did with ease.
0 points against Missouri.

I could be wrong, but from skimming box scores, I don't think he's ever lead a touchdown drive over 60 yards.

*note: I wasn't one chanting for Tiller. Anyone with half of a brain realized AA was the better QB and it wasn't even close.

Barely over 50% passing in his career, pathetic yards per attempt, and a pathetic INT/TD ratio. And he can create? He took 13 sacks this year. His BEST rating is the only rating above AA's average. The rest are horrendous.

We are in a TON of trouble if Tiller is the starter next year.

+1. I truly believe that if Tiller is the starter, we are in serious trouble.

 

[Wesley]

I like Tiller. Let's see how he progresses over the summer. He had his moments but for the most part wasn't able to get over that hump.

Hey gang, I just want a qb who can hit the broad side of a barn without getting intercepted next season. It did look like JT threw many passes over the heads because the coverage was good. He looked like he deliberately dumped the ball. For as much talk of coach Tom and the wide receivers, I can see why AA had a tough time. He saw few open receivers. When he threw over the middle, he was worried it might bounce off our receivers. We need to get more athletic in the wide receiver corps because our running game cannot do it alone.

 

[Wesley]

I will only defend Tiller in one instance and that is the Missouri game. He held up his end of the bargain numerous times on key plays only to be let down by dropped balls. IMO, he played well enough for us to win that game. Was it a beautiful display of passing? No, certainly not but it was good enough for probably 15 points. Remember, in that game, outside of the dropped balls, there were two missed FGs and a dropped pick six everyone seems to forget about. Sure, "good enough to win" isn't a ringing endorsement, but good enough to beat a pretty good Mizzou team is alright with me. On the other side, he didn't do anything against aTm or UNI and made once play for a touchdown and a couple really nice runs to flip the field against Nebraska. Again, not exactly running away with the position. I don't think anyone knows how anyone will develop. JT is now in a spot where instead of being the clear cut backup, he is right in the thick of it. It all depends on how he responds.

One thing that needs to happen is to develop one or two backups ready to go into a game. For too many gamesd in the past two years, we have worried about AA's reinjuring his ankle or ribs and have diminished our playbook. We are not good enough to play vanilla football. Go all out with the starter qb, and if he gets hurt, bring the next one in. Fopr that matter, when we get down big, bring the pure passer into the game. I mean, what have we got to lose other than another game.
Let's use all the talent. If a qb will not be in top qb group, put him in the famous WR corp. Use him.