How many teams do you know who just have a "next man in" mentality at QB and don't drop off? There's a reason there's a starter and backup.
And you don't switch QBs just for fun. Remember the Meyer/Flynn mess and then the Arnaud/Bates messes?
Jerome Tiller
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How many teams do you know who just have a "next man in" mentality at QB and don't drop off? There's a reason there's a starter and backup.
And you don't switch QBs just for fun. Remember the Meyer/Flynn mess and then the Arnaud/Bates messes?
I'd rather see an accurate QB who can make a bad team look good. Not a QB who needs a great supporting cast to look good.
This kind of player comes along once in never. ISU has only once had a QB that hid the rest of the team's deficiencies and he was shut down by mid season.
I believe the main reason for bringing the JUCO QB in is because they aren't sure if Barnett is ready to play yet. It will either be Jantz or Tiller and I will be fine with either one. If Barnett comes on strong and proves he can do it, I believe he will get that chance to be the starter.
This is going to be a three-horse race...Tiller, Jantz, and Barnett. Richardson will red-shirt and Capello will be fourth string this year (if he was better than Tiller, he would have played over him last year)
Im not quite sure where all this bashing of Tiller is coming from? You have given me examples of Nebraska, A&M, UNI, and Missouri as his 4 true starts. How many of those games did we win? Then you come back with his stats are terrible in those games but you seem to leave out the Baylor game and the end of the Colorado game where he played very well.
I feel like all the people that have said that Tiller isn't accurate as what needs to be in this offense are missing the point. He looks at ALL his receivers and then he throws the ball away when there isn't anyone open. How many interceptions did he throw this year? He just manages the game.
I don't care who the starting QB is next year. I hope that Jantz or Barnett can come in and be a stat machine because we will have a VERY good year if that happens but if Tiller is the starter I feel comfortable with him managing the game and leading this team.
This is going to be a three-horse race...Tiller, Jantz, and Barnett. Richardson will red-shirt and Capello will be fourth string this year (if he was better than Tiller, he would have played over him last year)
Im not quite sure where all this bashing of Tiller is coming from? You have given me examples of Nebraska, A&M, UNI, and Missouri as his 4 true starts. How many of those games did we win? Then you come back with his stats are terrible in those games but you seem to leave out the Baylor game and the end of the Colorado game where he played very well.
I feel like all the people that have said that Tiller isn't accurate as what needs to be in this offense are missing the point. He looks at ALL his receivers and then he throws the ball away when there isn't anyone open. How many interceptions did he throw this year? He just manages the game.
I don't care who the starting QB is next year. I hope that Jantz or Barnett can come in and be a stat machine because we will have a VERY good year if that happens but if Tiller is the starter I feel comfortable with him managing the game and leading this team.
That may be, but time in a system does make a difference. That difference becomes less of a factor the longer the newer QB is in it.
No one here knows who will start. The coaches don't know.
What we all need to do is hope and pray that someone steps up and separates from the rest of the pack. If that happens we are in good shape.
If it is like 2003 where we were trying to find out who sucks the least, we are in trouble.
What we all need to do is hope and pray that someone steps up and separates from the rest of the pack. If that happens we are in good shape.
If it is like 2003 where we were trying to find out who sucks the least, we are in trouble.
Well, by that logic wouldn't the QB in the system longer play? That means Jantz has no shot at being the starter?
I know what you are trying to say but the only time Capello saw the field last year was when we were getting killed by Utah and Tiller was hurt. They didn't even let him throw the ball.
Basically, what it comes down to is that none of us know who will be the quarterback. All we can do it cheer for whomever the coaches name the starter. Our coaches are paid a lot of money to make these decisions and we should trust them. I don't know if Jantz, Tiller, Capello, or Barnett will take the first snap of the 2011 season, but I can guarantee he will be the guy that is the most prepared and the staff feels the most confident in.
How do you want it stated? The staff has made it clear that JT`s play to date is not good enough to dictate the he starts next year. It is also quite clear that it will not be handed to him. My guess is that he will not be the starter when the season starts, and he will look to get on the field in another capacity(or leave).
And that's all they've said. They haven't said he won't start as a quarterback, or anything along those lines. He hasn't lost the job until they say somebody else has won the job.
My issue with JT, is he really has not shown any "flashes" of big time play. Usually you will see some with a guy who has seen as much action as JT. Another issue with the QB situation, is what does the staff feel is most important to get out of the position. Keep in mind that could change depending on the developement of other areas, such as defense. If the defense becomes salty, then maybe a big play QB is not needed, expecially if it could lead to TOs. But clearly the staff is indicating that the QB play behind AA was not good enough on a go forward basis.
And, I cannot be the only person here who is hugely embarrassed by your rude comment.
In any way I can, I'll proudly stand tall with Mr. Capello and The City. They bring information and perspective to this board that no one else here does.
Many of us talk Cyclone family. Mr. Capello and The City are Cyclone family; son and brother are Cyclone family. We're all Cyclone family . . . other than those here who choose to stand apart, outside the Cyclone circle.
There are times a person would be best served by keeping his mouth shut. It's called the better part of discretion. It's called love of family, respect for family.
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You don't recruit a juco QB only to offer competition and sit on the bench on gameday, especially when you have five other QBs in camp. If Tiller hasn't lost the job, he's certainly on his way to losing it if he doesn't show something in practice beyond what the coaches have already seen. The juco sends that message pretty loudly, IMO.
My logic was that it makes a difference. I didn't say or even imply that it was the only factor. A player will generally progress more between his first and second years playing in a program than between his second and third years. There are a lot of things to learn and a lot of adjustments to make in that first year. I'm not saying that Capello is any better or any worse. We just can't take 2010 and say definitively that Capello will never have a shot to be better than Tiller.
Saying that if a player was not above another player on the depth chart one year, he will never have a chance to start over him or even pass him on the depth chart is short sighted and ridiculously simplistic thinking.
How did it happen again that Reesing passed Meier on the KU depth chart? As I recall, their freshman season Meier was the starter...
Sure he has. There haven't been a lot but there have been some. The throw against Nebraska is one. There was the 3rd and 15 pass to Darks against Mizzou on the first drive of the game which was very important as it gave us a field position advantage. There was the throw to Lenz that was dropped. There was at least one more third down pass that was dropped. I definately understand not being overly enthusiastic about Tiller. I'm not sold on him, but to say there has been nothing he has done that shows "flashes" is not accurate.
Agreed.
Dont agree with this. If i was a player, I would be thoroughly embarrassed by having relatives posting on a message board of a team I play for. It could lead to bad things, name one time when it's ever ended positively?
I think it's pretty pathetic that JT hasn't even sold the staff enough to be a front runner.
CycloneErik
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Oh, I know who's starting. I'm just choosing not to say until after he starts the first game. That way I can let all of you know that I told you so, and nobody can say a word about it.
It's a plan full of genius and win.
