NFL: Kansas City Chiefs Thread

[CYdTracked]

For as good as the OL is up the middle with Thuney Humphrey and Trey Smith Mahomes has not had good protection at times and a lot of that is that Donovan Smith and Taylor don't protect the edges well. That and the WR group is lacking a true go-to guy that runs good routes and gets some separation on key downs.

The defense has not been as good as it was earlier this season but that partially has to do with injuries especially missing Bolton who makes a lot of big plays. Hoping they can get back on track but right now this does not look like a Super Bowl team. If they have an early exit I expect that acquiring an impact WR and an upgrade at OT will be their priority. You can tell Mahomes is frustrated at times when he makes a throw and the WR breaks from the route and is not where he is anticipating him to be.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

For as good as the OL is up the middle with Thuney Humphrey and Trey Smith Mahomes has not had good protection at times and a lot of that is that Donovan Smith and Taylor don't protect the edges well. That and the WR group is lacking a true go-to guy that runs good routes and gets some separation on key downs.

The defense has not been as good as it was earlier this season but that partially has to do with injuries especially missing Bolton who makes a lot of big plays. Hoping they can get back on track but right now this does not look like a Super Bowl team. If they have an early exit I expect that acquiring an impact WR and an upgrade at OT will be their priority. You can tell Mahomes is frustrated at times when he makes a throw and the WR breaks from the route and is not where he is anticipating him to be.

I agree the Chief's having to upgrade their WR position, but I am not sure how they can upgrade the OT position when both are under contract that are not going to be cap friendly to just cut the player, and the team does not have cap room to keep one of them on the roster and not play him.

 

[wheels686]

Imagine being a franchise with 2 incredible HOF QBs over the last 25-30 years and only having 2 SB wins to show for it. GB is an absolute trash franchise, rough to see KC lose this one

You really sound like a disgruntled Hawkeye fan..........I'm embarrassed for you on this take. They should have won more than 2 superbowls with those quarterbacks, for sure. But they are a great franchise and at-least put themselves in position to compete. I'm really embarassed for your take.

 

[GoHawks]

For as good as the OL is up the middle with Thuney Humphrey and Trey Smith Mahomes has not had good protection at times and a lot of that is that Donovan Smith and Taylor don't protect the edges well. That and the WR group is lacking a true go-to guy that runs good routes and gets some separation on key downs.

The defense has not been as good as it was earlier this season but that partially has to do with injuries especially missing Bolton who makes a lot of big plays. Hoping they can get back on track but right now this does not look like a Super Bowl team. If they have an early exit I expect that acquiring an impact WR and an upgrade at OT will be their priority. You can tell Mahomes is frustrated at times when he makes a throw and the WR breaks from the route and is not where he is anticipating him to be.

It's too bad that MVS seems to be the guy who gets most separation because he's almost always lazy on finishing the routes or just goes the wrong way. In hindsight wish we would of ran more last night. At 12 -21 we went right down the field running Pacheco out of shotgun and I think we ran 1 more time after that.

Bills coming off a bye will be a huge challenge. Allen always seems to give chiefs defense fits but this is best one he'll face. I assume cook is done for year but did anyone hear on Tranquil? He's been really good

 

[houjix]

I agree the Chief's having to upgrade their WR position, but I am not sure how they can upgrade the OT position when both are under contract that are not going to be cap friendly to just cut the player, and the team does not have cap room to keep one of them on the roster and not play him.

Donovan Smith is on a one year deal. Hopefully Wanya Morris can take the next step towards being the staring left tackle. The Juwaan Taylor deal is looking more and more like the biggest mistake Veach has made to date. They are stuck with him through at least next year. Moving on from him in 2025 only results in around $10 million of dead cap.

 

[GoHawks]

I agree the Chief's having to upgrade their WR position, but I am not sure how they can upgrade the OT position when both are under contract that are not going to be cap friendly to just cut the player, and the team does not have cap room to keep one of them on the roster and not play him.

Let's hope Taylor with an offseason can adjust to rules and just be half second faster without the penalties. I think it's reasonable to think with an offseason he will improve maybe even dramatically

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

You really sound like a disgruntled Hawkeye fan..........I'm embarrassed for you on this take. They should have won more than 2 superbowls with those quarterbacks, for sure. But they are a great franchise and at-least put themselves in position to compete. I'm really embarassed for your take.

They have a great history as a francize, but they are not winning a super bowl any time soon, currently sitting at 6 and 6, while playing in a conference with SF and Philly means that if they make the playoffs, they are one and done. Really not sure if Love is good enough QB to lead them to a Super Bowl, let alone win it.

 

[wheels686]

They have a great history as a francize, but they are not winning a super bowl any time soon, currently sitting at 6 and 6, while playing in a conference with SF and Philly means that if they make the playoffs, they are one and done. Really not sure if Love is good enough QB to lead them to a Super Bowl, let alone win it.

No, they aren't winning a super bowl this year. But that really has nothing to do with being a great franchise. They have a good leadership structure with the CEO running business side of things and the GM running the football side. They have developed titletown to bring in year round revenue and have over 140,000 on the season ticket waiting list.

Every NFL team will go through cycles of being good and bad. Packers went all in for a few year trying to win with Rodgers, but because they didn't go out and spend heavy in free agency ppl think we didn't. The Packers like to spend on retaining their own players which generally results in better on field results.

The packers have over $60 million in dead cap spending this year and $40 million of that is from Rodgers. They decided to take the hit all in one year so they could move forward and be more competitive for future years.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

No, they aren't winning a super bowl this year. But that really has nothing to do with being a great franchise. They have a good leadership structure with the CEO running business side of things and the GM running the football side. They have developed titletown to bring in year round revenue and have over 140,000 on the season ticket waiting list.

Every NFL team will go through cycles of being good and bad. Packers went all in for a few year trying to win with Rodgers, but because they didn't go out and spend heavy in free agency ppl think we didn't. The Packers like to spend on retaining their own players which generally results in better on field results.

The packers have over $60 million in dead cap spending this year and $40 million of that is from Rodgers. They decided to take the hit all in one year so they could move forward and be more competitive for future years.

None of the teams in the NFL are hurting for money, this is not MLB here, they get the same cut from the leagues TV revenue as everyone else, and they are selling out, so is half the league.

The question is do they have a QB on the roster good enough to take them deep in the playoff, and I would say no. Its a QB league, moving on from Rodgers was a great idea, but we will all see if Love is a great player or just good enough.
I tend to think they are a lot like the Vikings, just good enough to win and get into the playoffs, and make a quick exit, but too good to really get a great QB in the draft unless you get lucky and find someone like Purdy.

 

[wheels686]

None of the teams in the NFL are hurting for money, this is not MLB here, they get the same cut from the leagues TV revenue as everyone else, and they are selling out, so is half the league.

The question is do they have a QB on the roster good enough to take them deep in the playoff, and I would say no. Its a QB league, moving on from Rodgers was a great idea, but we will all see if Love is a great player or just good enough.
I tend to think they are a lot like the Vikings, just good enough to win and get into the playoffs, and make a quick exit, but too good to really get a great QB in the draft unless you get lucky and find someone like Purdy.

Hurting for money? No, they do make enough. But remember, the Packers don't have an owner who is supporting them if they are hurting financially. Before the $200 million renovation in the early 2000's they were near the bottom in NFL revenue and at time in their history have had trouble staying afloat. In order to keep the franchise in good financial position they did create the Titletown district.

NFL TV money is revenue shared. However, money made at the NFL stadiums are not. It's why teams like the Dallas Cowboys are in much better position than others.

 

[CloneFanInKC]

I agree the Chief's having to upgrade their WR position, but I am not sure how they can upgrade the OT position when both are under contract that are not going to be cap friendly to just cut the player, and the team does not have cap room to keep one of them on the roster and not play him.

I think Donovan smith signed a 1 yr “prove it deal”.

Only thing he has proved is he takes plays off (laziness) and is on the backend of his career.

 

[Cyforce]

It's too bad that MVS seems to be the guy who gets most separation because he's almost always lazy on finishing the routes or just goes the wrong way. In hindsight wish we would of ran more last night. At 12 -21 we went right down the field running Pacheco out of shotgun and I think we ran 1 more time after that.

He didn't have any carries after he threw the sucker punch.

 

[GoHawks]

He didn't have any carries after he threw the sucker punch

We were in the 2 minute or really 1 minute drill at that point so no fault of staff there. The 2 possessions before that we had a 3 an out and a interception I would of liked to gone back to the running game. See if you can grind out a long drive and go up 25-24 with conversion pending. Hopefully Pacheco isn't suspended a game

 

[Halincandenza]

It's not only that the penalties are happening, but they're always at the WORST time.

The WRs are still running the wrong routes as well. MVS would have had a TD if he would have done what he was supposed to on a play and Moore just stopped for some reason on his route which led to the INt.

 

[Halincandenza]

I agree the Chief's having to upgrade their WR position, but I am not sure how they can upgrade the OT position when both are under contract that are not going to be cap friendly to just cut the player, and the team does not have cap room to keep one of them on the roster and not play him.

I think they are trying to groom Morris to take over for Smith.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Hurting for money? No, they do make enough. But remember, the Packers don't have an owner who is supporting them if they are hurting financially. Before the $200 million renovation in the early 2000's they were near the bottom in NFL revenue and at time in their history have had trouble staying afloat. In order to keep the franchise in good financial position they did create the Titletown district.

NFL TV money is revenue shared. However, money made at the NFL stadiums are not. It's why teams like the Dallas Cowboys are in much better position than others.

None of the teams are hurting financially, the league salary cap keeps spending in line and the league itself is printing money, which in turn is given out equally to the teams. Yes, each teams gets to keep the money from their own stadium, but that really should not help the Cowboys in any way other than to enrich Jerry Jones.
The problem with GB is they play in by far the smallest market in the league, they used to play games in Milwaukee a few times a year to make a go out of it, but now they do not have too because of the leagues TV revenue.

Heck the Chief's are talking about maybe wanting a new stadium once the Royals move, but I think they will cut a deal to get control of all the land, and then make a title town setup like GB did, but it's just to make money for the owners, it should not affect the team's ability to win one way or another.

 

[houjix]

None of the teams are hurting financially, the league salary cap keeps spending in line and the league itself is printing money, which in turn is given out equally to the teams. Yes, each teams gets to keep the money from their own stadium, but that really should not help the Cowboys in any way other than to enrich Jerry Jones.
The problem with GB is they play in by far the smallest market in the league, they used to play games in Milwaukee a few times a year to make a go out of it, but now they do not have too because of the leagues TV revenue.

Heck the Chief's are talking about maybe wanting a new stadium once the Royals move, but I think they will cut a deal to get control of all the land, and then make a title town setup like GB did, but it's just to make money for the owners, it should not affect the team's ability to win one way or another.

Being a "rich" franchise does help in a couple of areas though. Better facilities is one of the biggest. FAs absolutely shy away from some teams that are perceived as cheap. Cincy has a big reputation for this. Also, being cash flush makes it easier to sign deals with big guaranteed dollars and signing bonuses as a team typically has to have all that money upfront. Even with that, GB is far from a poor franchise. In fact, their valuation was higher than KC's and had higher revenue all while having one of the lowest operating costs in the league.

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[Halincandenza]

I would love the Chiefs to see if anyone is intersted in a sign and trade with Chris Jones in order to acquire a top draft pick to get a WR or get a #1 WR from that team.

 

[spierceisu]

I would love the Chiefs to see if anyone is intersted in a sign and trade with Chris Jones in order to acquire a top draft pick to get a WR or get a #1 WR from that team.

I haven't been impressed with Chris Jones this year. He hasn't been super disruptive this year that I noticed. Their defensive ends haven't been much for a pass rush either. Karlafkis is OK, but hasn't really put up pressure/sack numbers and I don't think King Felix has barley played this year for a first round pick. Maybe this is some of the reason Jones doesn't look as good, but I personally don't feel he is worth the money he is going to command, so maybe a trade would be best.

 

[BCClone]

I agree the Chief's having to upgrade their WR position, but I am not sure how they can upgrade the OT position when both are under contract that are not going to be cap friendly to just cut the player, and the team does not have cap room to keep one of them on the roster and not play him.

Mahomes contract is starting to tighten on the chiefs like Rodgers did on the packers.