Kids playing football

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It's something I don't have to consider for several years. I know my wife feels differently, but when it does come time to make that decision, I'd like to think I'll sit down with my son and lay everything out on the table regarding risks and concerns. And if he is still determined to play, then I won't be the one to stand in his way. His mother, on the other hand...
 

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I don't see it as getting benefits from one sport over another. I see it as not letting something risky dictate how you live your life. It's like the movie "Along Came Polly", where the Ben Stiller guy tries to live his life mitigating risks on everything he does and then realises he is missing out on a lot of great things.
If you don't get any benefits from football over another sport then what does it matter if you weigh the risks when making your decision?
 

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So they parents that won't let their kids play football also plan to keep their kids from driving as well right? Just like everything in our society, people overreact and treat the exception as the rule when it comes to anything controversial. I'd guess most ppl who keep their kids from contact sports didn't play them themselves and don't really know the risks. They only know the negative stories. Heck this is only a few posts long and there are things said that just totally aren't true.

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The difference with football, I think, is the constant risk of permanent head/brain injuries. Every single play in football involves some sort of collision with the head.

This is just simply not true, the majority of plays involve no collision with the head. Even a play that does, 1 or 2 people are going to be involved, why the other 20 come no where near a head collision. IMO this is actually a reason that you should have kids getting involved at a young age, so that they learn the fundamentals and know you shouldn't be lowering your head or leading with you head. It also gets kids over the fear of being hit/injured. Anyone who played football at any level knows that playing scared or timid, is going to put you at a greater risk of injury.
 

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Having played both highschool and in college I too had mixed feelings. I did more research and ultimately left it up to my kid. I never suffered a concussion in football and the only time I ever had my "bell rung" were on stuff that was easily avoidable and is now being avoided by better education and technique - special teams (full speed spear block that now would be illegal) and what we called blood and guts in high school where 2 guys line up and go at each other from 10 yards out full speed so imagine the bell ringing when an all state linebacker (the guy that rung my bell) and a d-end going full speed at this distance both dropping their heads, it was an accident waiting to happen and both of are "bells were rung". Coaches (good ones anyway) aren't doing these things anymore. I think it is about trusting the coaches.

Hence, my son now in 3rd grade and was fully educated about the risks and he decided at the last minute after leaning against it for a while that he was going to play so I signed up to coach too. I didn't encourage him, in fact fully supported him not playing as I thought that is what he was going to do. As a fourth generation college football player I was perfectly content having football as a family legacy die with me. And while I am not particularly worried at this age I wanted to make sure good technique was taught so why I signed up to coach and that experience has made me much more confident my son made the right decision.

We went to an 8 hour multi-day training on head injury prevention techniques and strategies and how to spot undetected mild concussions etc. It was really good and the game is soooo much safer for kids today. This son is always playing 2 sports and frankly I am more concerned now about baseball and soccer at this age. Being full speed in soccer with bigger age and weight distribution head to head contacts are sometimes really bad, in baseball they are getting to the age where they are developing throwing speed without great control or attention span. While I think in High School football clearly surpasses these sports in risk I think with proper mitigation the risks of any of these sports are outweighed by the emotional, and physical benefits of playing sports. 2 years ago, I said I wouldn't let my son play but I took the time to really look into it and I have changed my opinion.

Also it's worth mentioning, I never suffered a diagnosed concussion playing football through college (and if I had an undiagnosed one it would have been very minor) but had a major concussion in which I lost conciousness playing dodgeball in 4th grade recess. Obviously this is anecdotal but illustrates that all sports pose some risk and to be safe we need to do what we can to mitigate those risks and then determine if the gains outweigh the risks.
 
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If you don't get any benefits from football over another sport then what does it matter if you weigh the risks when making your decision?

For me personally I think worrying about the risks is dumb. If you want to play a sport, any sport (except soccer) then play it don't worry about "oh I have a chance of getting hurt or injured".
 

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This is just simply not true, the majority of plays involve no collision with the head. Even a play that does, 1 or 2 people are going to be involved, why the other 20 come no where near a head collision. IMO this is actually a reason that you should have kids getting involved at a young age, so that they learn the fundamentals and know you shouldn't be lowering your head or leading with you head. It also gets kids over the fear of being hit/injured. Anyone who played football at any level knows that playing scared or timid, is going to put you at a greater risk of injury.
I'd say basically every play involves head collisions, unless they did away with offensive and defensive linemen when I wasn't looking.
 

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There are risks with pretty much any sport. Youth baseball has some horrific injuries. Hoping the equipment has improved some, but better equipment is expensive. At one of my nephew's games, kid got hit in the chest with a pitch and his heart stopped. Fancy suburban fields actually had a defibrillator that saved his life.
 

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I don't have kids but if/when I do I will encourage them to play football. It makes me mad to see parents who won't let their kids play even if they want to.

I played flag football in 3rd/4th grade and tackle in 5th/6th. Then I played middle school football in 7th and 8th. I quit playing football because I was struggling with some personal things that made going to school and football practice everyday difficult (2 final great grandparents and 2 grandparents died in like 2 years). Instead I played golf in high school and I will say that it was one of the biggest mistakes of my life so far (current junior at Iowa State. I'm sure that as I grow older I will make more mistakes and it won't seem like a big deal, but currently I really regret it.

I wish my parents pushed me to stick with football, although I understand why they didn't, because I feel like I missed out on a lot. I don't want my kids to feel the same way.
 

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For me personally I think worrying about the risks is dumb. If you want to play a sport, any sport (except soccer) then play it don't worry about "oh I have a chance of getting hurt or injured".
There are certainly people like that, everyone has different risk tolerances. I watched a video of a couple of guys climbing to the top of a crane on a skyscraper in China the other day, you would do that, I wouldn't because the risks would be far too great. Maybe my life isn't as fulfilling because I wouldn't do that, but I also won't die from it like the guy doing the same thing in Russia in another video I watched.

Most "normal" people have limits though. I'm guessing you wouldn't be interested in playing some high stakes Russian Roulette any time soon?
 

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Unless things have greatly changed by the time my future kids are that age, it's a no. There are risks with everything in life and this is one that is not worth it to me and easily avoidable.
 

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I'd leave it up to them but if they had one concussion they would be done with football.

I understand both arguments. I'd have a difficult time letting them start in 3rd grade but would let him if he really wanted to.

It would also depend on the coaches. A lot of them are really good and stress fundamentals/technique where some of them think they should be the offensive coordinator for the Patriots and are ridiculous.

I have all girls so I won't need to cross this bridge.
 

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This is just simply not true, the majority of plays involve no collision with the head. Even a play that does, 1 or 2 people are going to be involved, why the other 20 come no where near a head collision. IMO this is actually a reason that you should have kids getting involved at a young age, so that they learn the fundamentals and know you shouldn't be lowering your head or leading with you head. It also gets kids over the fear of being hit/injured. Anyone who played football at any level knows that playing scared or timid, is going to put you at a greater risk of injury.

I think you're operating under old data. Look at recent CTE research. They're finding evidence that repeated, lower impact, non concussive hits, such as the kind done in the trenches on every play, is just as damaging as getting a massive hit and being concussed.

http://www.traumaticbraininjury.net/sub-concussive-hits-are-causing-serious-brain-damage/

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056805
 
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I played all kinds of sports throughout school. Football was my favorite sport by far and I was consistently the smallest player on the field. Probably had a few un-diagnosed concussions because I had a kamikaze playing style. My brother tore his ACL. We'd both go back and do it all over again. Mom & dad weren't the type to shelter me or my brother. I would've hated them if they told me I couldn't play. I needed the sport to channel my adolescent aggression. I'll always love it because it's a true team sport. In basketball one player can take over. In baseball one pitcher can shut the game down. In football you need eleven guys working together.

I played from age 9 to 18 & wouldn't trade the experience for anything. I definitely think the teamwork, friends, & discipline I learned helped me to be a better & more successful person in life. I didn't really play any other sports other than track so I can't really compare, but I can CYCLNST8's point above.


I think for as little as we know about what head injuries do to developed brains we know much less about what they do to brains that are still developing. I find it hard to believe that someone would get some kind of special experience from playing football that they wouldn't get from playing baseball, soccer, basketball etc. I personally don't see there being some innate benefit that football would have over another team sport with less risks involved.

What about if a kid just happens to LIKE football more? Growing up, I had absolute zero interest in basketball or soccer. I grew up on football, it was the only sport anyone in my family watched or played. So why would I play a sport I don't like over one I happen to love?

He's not going pro, I'm not too worried about his limited playing time affecting his scholarship options.

Not even considering playing after high school, have you ever been on a team that you never got to PLAY on? DEFINITELY not as much fun sitting on the bench...
 

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I know the mild trauma stats but they really aren't moving fast plus they have weight limits for ball carriers etc. The bigger kids are relegated to offensive line. Highschool kids are bigger faster and more reckless. Youth football there is almost no head contact and it is soooo slow. Soccer the kids are going full speed and I have watched them go head to head. I am confident as my son plays both u10 soccer and 3rd grade football and I coach both that soccer has a much higher degree of risk for this age.
 

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So they parents that won't let their kids play football also plan to keep their kids from driving as well right? Just like everything in our society, people overreact and treat the exception as the rule when it comes to anything controversial. I'd guess most ppl who keep their kids from contact sports didn't play them themselves and don't really know the risks. They only know the negative stories. Heck this is only a few posts long and there are things said that just totally aren't true.

Great point, if I could keep my kid from driving I would. That is soooo much bigger of a risk and knowing the stupid crap I did scares the crap out.of me.
 

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All sports are risky but I'm allowing my son to play football (5th grade). He loves the game and I never think of injuries. I was shocked at how many kids in our area didn't play this year because parents thought they might get hurt. A good friend of ours didn't get his son registered this year because of thought of injuries. His son is a kid that is wild and crazy - he'll probably get a concussion playing on the playground equipment at school.
Also - equipment is getting better at the younger ages too.
 

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I think you're operating under old data. Look at recent CTE research. They're finding evidence that repeated, lower impact, non concussive hits, such as the kind done in the trenches on every play, is just as damaging as getting a massive hit and being concussed.

http://www.traumaticbraininjury.net/sub-concussive-hits-are-causing-serious-brain-damage/

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0056805

It causes scarring but the longitudinal data on football players from the 40's and 50's having no higher degree of any brain related disease or premature death or memory loss to me is compelling that scarring for the average football player not in the NFL isn't actually posing any significant long term risk. Just like anything its all about dosage. I wouldn't recommend playing 20 years of high impact football like a veteran NFL player has had with HS- pros. 4 years of HS I am not worried about low impact trauma.
 

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