Let’s talk about the refs

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yep, he is a better man than I am.

I hope he thinks other schools gets screwed over by the refs, because if you don't that could make you want to go to another school.

I'm kidding, sort of. ;)
 
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It's hilarious to me to listen to some of you people say " it wasn't the refs, we made too many mistakes to win". Don't you see, that's the point. When we made mistakes we got penalties, Washington state didn't.

Plus every team makes mistakes. No one plays a perfect game.
 

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What is funny is we always get into two sides:
1. Refs cost us the game
2. rEfs didn't, it was other aspects.

Cyups just said it: It is both. Every play, decision by each player, coach and ref make up the game. Everything beyond a call or play changes the outcome of the game. If Enyi wasn't called for targeting, Wash St probably doesn't score on that drive. We will never know if Purdy throws a TD the next play, INT or anything in between, but all you can do is assess what happened. Absolutely no way you can't say this refs and review booth didn't take opportunity away from this team to win tonight, in spite of all the mistakes.
 

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In all of my life I have never seen a worse officiated game than this and I thought I'd never say that after last year's KSU fiasco. From the ground crew to the replay crew it was a total **** up.

-I counted at least three false starts on WSU (One for 6, another to secure the win) that the inept line judge failed to call.
-Minshew's knee was down on the near intentional grounding (not even a review)
-An argument to be made for Monty's forward progress being stopped on the fumble.
-Enyi's targeting call and ejection

With all of that I have also never seen a worse particular call and review than the Eaton "drop". The guy makes three football moves with clear possession, is down by contact before the ball comes out and is ruled incomplete ALL WITHOUT A BOOTH REVIEW causing us to challenge the obvious catch only to lose the challenge and a timeout.

***** and moan about penalties and turnovers we created all you want, but if you can't see that with fair officiating we win this game get ******.
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THIS. times 1000. We can argue the minutiae of what targeting is or isn't like a bunch of smart a$$ lawyers all day long and some high school debate wunderkind will parse it out....but we know what a catch is....a catch is a catch. It is the same thing as a catch when we all caught nerf balls in the back yard. It is an easy game....you throw the ball and you catch it. That was a catch. I was sort of more angry at our own team until that point....When that review took about 3 seconds and the smirky ass referees came back with a "confirmed" (I think they confirmed it, right? still hard to believe) while the review booth was on the phone like Leonardo Dicrapio in the Wolf of Wall Street at us...that is when I feel this game went to Eustachy-con-5 conspiracy levels. We were conspired against. That review rerferee should be doxxed....Who is he? What did he have to gain by promoting WSU win over us?

I know CMC had already went berserk, but I would have no problem with another one there.
 

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The one thing I will say about the officials is that this crew was completely unprepared to work a game with this much offense. Rather than assign crews arbitrarily based on not being affiliated with either conference they need to also consider style of play. Having refs from a conference where half the teams would still prefer to slam their heads into each other for 60 minutes did no justice to a big 12 team and pac 12 team with big 12 influences.

I never said the refs didn’t effect the score. They may have cost ISU 4 pts, possibly as many as 7. But how many pts did the false starts, ints and fumbles cost ISU? 10-14?

Weakness is having a shitfit and blaming the refs for the end result when if you took care of business it wouldn’t have mattered. Losers do that, and I guarantee Campbell isn’t letting the players blame the refs for this loss.
I really don't think you need to call fellow Cyclone fans venting about a poorly officiated game "losers". Save that for Hawkeyes.
 
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The decisions on what to review, what not to review, how long reviews took and the confirmed/stands language were all very suspect. In that particular area I'd say it was completely one sided.

The offsides situation was definitely also one sided, ISU jumped a lot and they caught it. WSU jumped a lot and I guess they are allowed to break the rules.

The targeting I'm not even mad about, that's just kind of an F'd up situation for all players, coaches, refs and the entire big picture idea of football. It's an irrational and difficult freight train ISU just happened to be standing in front of tonight.

False starts not offsides but I agree. 1 led to TD instead of a likely field goal
 

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The one thing I will say about the officials is that this crew was completely unprepared to work a game with this much offense. Rather than assign crews arbitrarily based on not being affiliated with either conference they need to also consider style of play. Having refs from a conference where half the teams would still prefer to slam their heads into each other for 60 minutes did no justice to a big 12 team and pac 12 team with big 12 influences.

I never said the refs didn’t effect the score. They may have cost ISU 4 pts, possibly as many as 7. But how many pts did the false starts, ints and fumbles cost ISU? 10-14?

Weakness is having a shitfit and blaming the refs for the end result when if you took care of business it wouldn’t have mattered. Losers do that, and I guarantee Campbell isn’t letting the players blame the refs for this loss.

And I never said the officials were the only reason ISU lost. You imagined that.

I said the officiating very likely swung the game more than two points toward WSU. I said it because it's OBVIOUSLY true.

This idea that one team needs to play flawlessly and the other gets to make all sorts of mistakes is irrational.
 
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In all of my life I have never seen a worse officiated game than this and I thought I'd never say that after last year's KSU fiasco. From the ground crew to the replay crew it was a total **** up.

-I counted at least three false starts on WSU (One for 6, another to secure the win) that the inept line judge failed to call.
-Minshew's knee was down on the near intentional grounding (not even a review)
-An argument to be made for Monty's forward progress being stopped on the fumble.
-Enyi's targeting call and ejection

With all of that I have also never seen a worse particular call and review than the Eaton "drop". The guy makes three football moves with clear possession, is down by contact before the ball comes out and is ruled incomplete ALL WITHOUT A BOOTH REVIEW causing us to challenge the obvious catch only to lose the challenge and a timeout.

***** and moan about penalties and turnovers we created all you want, but if you can't see that with fair officiating we win this game get ******.

As infuriating as it was to watch this unfold, I felt a cruel helplessness seeing the dejected faces of our players. Just as they were robbed of a win in Manhattan last year, they were robbed of an Alamo Bowl win tonight.

I read this and I only see a hard dose of reality.

Some would rather hide from it. Acknowledging reality doesn't makes somebody a "victim", it's insulting to suggest it. It also doesn't mean you give up, you work harder.
 
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I watched one replay that clearly showed him diving in. Was I imagining it?

It was probably the most obvious call I've ever heard left at "ruling on the field stands" instead of "confirmed".

Either the replay official doesn't understand the terminology or there was some weird bias going on. There's no third choice there. Purdy had almost his entire body in the end zone when he came down. If that call isn't "confirmed" than almost zero calls should ever be confirmed by replay.
 
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WTH on Eaton's catch? They saw him "juggling" it? Seriously, did anyone see the ball move during Eaton's 4 steps? I sure didn't. He appeared to have complete control the entire time (until the ground.) That was the review outcome that shocked me the most.

It was a catch and the ball popped because he was downed.

The next most likely thing was a catch and a fumble, the wrong call, but an understandable wrong call.

The idea that that was incomplete is one of the worst calls I've ever seen in my life in any sport. It was definitely the worst call of the game in terms of it being absolutely wrong and how on Earth do you miss that with reply available?

Calling it a fumble would have screwed us more, but saying it's incomplete with replay at your disposal is absolutely unacceptable.
 

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It was a catch and the ball popped because he was downed.

The next most likely thing was a catch and a fumble, the wrong call, but an understandable wrong call.

The idea that that was incomplete is one of the worst calls I've ever seen in my life in any sport. It was definitely the worst call of the game in terms of it being absolutely wrong and how on Earth do you miss that with reply available?

Calling it a fumble would have screwed us more, but saying it's incomplete with replay at your disposal is absolutely unacceptable.
The lack of consistency in terms of 1) false start calls, and 2) booth reviews is what I found so amazing.
 

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The lack of consistency in terms of 1) false start calls, and 2) booth reviews is what I found so amazing.

The minute I heard the claim that "every play is reviewed in college football" years back I was instantly positive that college football replay was going to be a gigantic screw job compared to NFL replay which actually works.

MLB replay is like a perfect flawless angelic miracle from god compared to NCAA football.
 

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Any talk on the fair catch brushing?
 

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The minute I heard the claim that "every play is reviewed in college football" years back I was instantly positive that college football replay was going to be a gigantic screw job compared to NFL replay which actually works.

MLB replay is like a perfect flawless angelic miracle from god compared to NCAA football.

NFL also has their playoff system figured out. It’s fair, straightforward, and works. Really the only time I see controversy with NFL replays is when they’re making a judgment on a flawed rule.

College football is at best mismanaged, at worst corrupt.
 

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Here is the ranking of bad calls:
1. Eaton catch . Was reviewed. Forced a punt.
2. 2nd targeting. Was reviewed. Would have been 4th down and a punt. Gave them the ball near the 12 iirc.
3. Missed false start. Gave them a TD vs FG.
4. Helmet to upper body against Montgomery. Knocked their defender out of the game . Was not reviewed. 50/50 but higher likelihood than our 2nd call.
5. Purdy TD dive not confirmed. No way they were going to take away our TD but they really really tried.
6. WSU QB was down and avoided a sack during a throw.

Correct calls-
Monte fumble.
Butler end zone non PI?
1st targeting call
 
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NFL also has their playoff system figured out. It’s fair, straightforward, and works. Really the only time I see controversy with NFL replays is when they’re making a judgment on a flawed rule.

College football is at best mismanaged, at worst corrupt.

Prolly my own bias but I felt like the commentators really wanted to WSU to win last night.

Tin foil hat on me says the talking heads want to uphold the debate about Washington/WSU and who's really better.
 

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Here is the ranking of bad calls:
1. Eaton catch . Was reviewed. Forced a punt.
2. 2nd targeting. Was reviewed. Would have been 4th down and a punt. Gave them the ball near the 12 iirc.
3. Missed false start. Gave them a TD vs FG.
4. Helmet to upper body against Montgomery. Knocked their defender out of the game . Was not reviewed. 50/50 but higher likelihood than our 2nd call.
5. Purdy TD dive not confirmed. No way they were going to take away our TD but they really really tried.
6. WSU QB was down and avoided a sack during a throw.

Correct calls-
Monte fumble.
Butler end zone non PI?
1st targeting call

DM wasn't defenseless when he took out their defender. From what I've seen if a player has their head down on their own it doesn't get called.
 

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