Life without Royce...

[HuddleUp]

Heard a local radio guy this morning saying we'd be terrible without Royce and that he makes Fred look good because of his dominance. Makes you wonder how good would we be if he weren't around? Slow day at work... obviously.

I'd put us near an OSU level... around 7-8 wins in the B12 and a little over .500 overall. That sounds like not giving enough credit to the other guys. I bet Booker would step in and take over some of that production. Same with Ejim.

 

[gocubs2118]

Who cares how bad we'd be without him? KU wouldn't be nearly as good without Robinson. OSU wouldn't be nearly as good without Sullinger. I could keep going.

 

[ISUAgronomist]

local radio guy

Location: Kansas City

So, local butthurt radio guy.

 

[cyclonefreak5]

Our offense came to a complete stand still yesturday when he wasnt in the game. No one besides Royce is especially able to create their own shot... they all need him to set them up.

 

[isutrevman]

Take away the best player on any team and they will be worse? Who woulda thunk it. Royce has sat for large chunks of conference games due to fould trouble and we have done ok. He sat almost the entire first half against Texas at home and we won that.

 

[ca4cy]

So he's saying that talent makes a coach look better? Wow, earth shaking stuff there. Suprised the local station is able to keep him.

 

[digZ]

It's funny they don't say that about Scott Drew, Bill Self, or Jim Boeheim. Hell look how mediocre Cuse has been since they lost Fab Melo? Yet you don't see the KC radio guy talking about that...

What you can't deny is that Fred is definitely growing into the head coaching spot. Look at our stats after timeouts, that doesn't lie.

Butthurt KC radio guy is butthurt.

That being said we'd probably be a little above our level of last year. Ejim has been stepping up, and has a bit of an inside game and can rebound better, but we'd be nowhere near the level we are today. I just don't see the point of hypothetically removing the best player form the team, and using that as an excuse that the coach/team is mediocre. Kansas and KSU lost at Hilton, get over it.

 

[HuddleUp]

So he's saying that talent makes a coach look better? Wow, earth shaking stuff there. Suprised the local station is able to keep him.

He really wasn't knocking us. Just making the point that few teams rely so heavily on one player. I can't argue with that. It got me thinking how we'd look and play without him. Again, slow day here at the office and interested in what others thought.

 

[chuckd4735]

Take the best player off every team, and those teams would not be as good. Obviously, the better the talent of each teams best player, the more losing that player would effect each team. This is not science.

 

[digZ]

He really wasn't knocking us. Just making the point that few teams rely so heavily on one player. I can't argue with that. It got me thinking how we'd look and play without him. Again, slow day here at the office and interested in what others thought.

Again, look at Cuse and Fab Melo. Their offense has stagnated and they're nowhere near as dominant as they were with him in. There are plenty of teams that would take huge steps back losing a starting player, we're not the only one. But because it's ISU with 2nd year coach Fred Hoiberg, he's mediocre. He's not Jim Boeheim or "God" Bill Self so he should be looked down on because we have a star player.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Less good, but who knows? It's not like our offense disappears when he's off the floor, so it's purely a guess

 

[bos]

Imagine how good we could be with a PG that can lead and distribute as well as Royce.

 

[nj829]

Fred likely would have used Royce's scholarship on another player who could impact the team in a positive way. Maybe a true point guard would be playing this season and that would have caused the offense to run differently and we would have won just as much.

 

[HuddleUp]

Fred likely would have used Royce's scholarship on another player who could impact the team in a positive way. Maybe a true point guard would be playing this season and that would have caused the offense to run differently and we would have won just as much.

That's a great point.

 

[CycloneVet]

What if Jamaal Tinsley or Diante Garrett played for this team with Royce, we'd be a top 10 team right now. See I can do it too.

 

[Ficklone02]

Ya of course we wouldn't be as good...how much worse is hard to say. Instead of saying Fred basically would suck as a coach without him they could open their eyes and note that instead of allowing the point to be a real weakness for our team Fred adjusted and allowed Royce to handle the ball and create a mismatch for the other team. But I guess if your from kansas city and upset we beat both your teams you might be a little upset this week. Imagine next year when we have a couple pg's to penetrate the lane to go along with Royce, and Babb defending your best guy.

 

[VeloClone]

Maybe a more apt comparison might be: how would this team perform if it was coached by Scott Drew?

I think we all know the answer to that.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Good players make coaches look good. You HAVE to have the horses, especially in the Big12.

This has been proven in college basketball. Scott Drew, Bill Self, and Jim Boeheim have all had multiple good players to make them look better. Also, their teams generally have enough good players that the loss of one does not make them look that much worse.

CFH looks better with Royce than without, but in a year or two, when Royce is gone, he will have multiple players recruited who can also make him look good.

CFH has proven that he will go and get the horses to play in this league, no matter where he gets them from. That is why this team will continue to "look good" even in the future.

 

[CycloneBob]

STUPID COMMENT but not surprising considering some of the early morning sports talk guys. Deal with the facts as they are - White is here and that's what counts.

 

[sabulba]

We'd be worse off but not Cleveland with out LeBron worse.