McKay vs Ejim Production Update

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This just goes to show that no matter what you post on cyclone fanatic, someone is going to get offended. I think this thread is fun and could provoke some good discussion.

If McKay could have played immediately this year it makes you wonder what kind of awards he could have won at years end. I remember telling people Ejim was going to end up being a beast later in his career to some people (sophomore year), and they thought I was nuts. All they saw was passes from Royce bouncing off his hands. I feel the same was about McKay next year.
 

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People don't like the comparison of production from just a year ago so here is some comparison from this year.
Per 40PointsReboundsAssistsStealsBlocks
McKay4018.110.71.01.24.0
Okafor4023.212.21.81.01.9
Kaminsky4021.910.93.11.02.0

Me likey. That is some great company.

JM is going to increase his minutes, and with his relative learning curve and his work ethic, will increase we his production.

This is getting scary fun. If georges gets his efficiency back to where it was late last year, its going to be a fun end to the year.
 

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This just goes to show that no matter what you post on cyclone fanatic, someone is going to get offended. I think this thread is fun and could provoke some good discussion.

If McKay could have played immediately this year it makes you wonder what kind of awards he could have won at years end. I remember telling people Ejim was going to end up being a beast later in his career to some people (sophomore year), and they thought I was nuts. All they saw was passes from Royce bouncing off his hands. I feel the same was about McKay next year.
Just because posters feel that it may be a misleading comparison doesn't necessarily mean they are offended. In fact, that is part of the good discussion you mentioned.
 

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I loved Melvin, he's an all time ISU great and a had a great season last year. If there's one knock though, he didn't pay great in the tourney. Whether McKay's season is better or worse will rely on how he plays from here on out. As of now, I'd give the nod to Ejim. 18 and 8 every night is tough to beat.
Against KSU: 24 pts 10 rbs; Against KU: 19 pts, 5 rbs; Against BU: 10 pts, 9 rbs, 3 ast, 3 stl; Against NCCU: 17 pts, 8 rbs, 3 ast; Against UNC: 19 pts, 4 rbs, 2 ast; Against UCONN: 7 pts, 8 rbs (got in foul trouble, Hogue scored 34) Just had to go back and look at his stats. Only one game with less than 10 points. That's a pretty damn good tournament run.
 

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Against KSU: 24 pts 10 rbs; Against KU: 19 pts, 5 rbs; Against BU: 10 pts, 9 rbs, 3 ast, 3 stl; Against NCCU: 17 pts, 8 rbs, 3 ast; Against UNC: 19 pts, 4 rbs, 2 ast; Against UCONN: 7 pts, 8 rbs (got in foul trouble, Hogue scored 34) Just had to go back and look at his stats. Only one game with less than 10 points. That's a pretty damn good tournament run.

That was the thing about Ejim. He always had such sneaky production. You would think he was having a quiet game, and then you see his "player of the game" stats and he would have like 22 & 10. Thanks for posting those stats, because I had been thinking until now that he had a quiet postseason.
 

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Both have similarities, with their ability to score and get rebounds. The obvious difference is Melvin had a more polished offensive game and he was pretty good from deep. McKay is better defensively than Ejim and he can block shots very well. It basically comes down to whether you prefer a great shot blocker or a great mismatch from an offensive standpoint. Ejim, Niang and Hogue formed a very difficult-to-guard front court.

For this team I think McKay is best. For last year's team, Melvin might have been best, I'm not sure. DeAndre was pretty good defensively last year and it was hard to get to the rim as a PG when you had to get past him at 6'4. McKay might have been less valuable to last year's team.

I might give the slight, slight edge to McKay simply because we've never had a player like him under Hoiberg.
 

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Both have similarities, with their ability to score and get rebounds. The obvious difference is Melvin had a more polished offensive game and he was pretty good from deep. McKay is better defensively than Ejim and he can block shots very well. It basically comes down to whether you prefer a great shot blocker or a great mismatch from an offensive standpoint. Ejim, Niang and Hogue formed a very difficult-to-guard front court.

For this team I think McKay is best. For last year's team, Melvin might have been best, I'm not sure. DeAndre was pretty good defensively last year and it was hard to get to the rim as a PG when you had to get past him at 6'4. McKay might have been less valuable to last year's team.

I might give the slight, slight edge to McKay simply because we've never had a player like him under Hoiberg.

McKay on last year's team with a healthy Niang is scurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry. I would still take McKay on last year's team.
 

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I don't think this is comparing McKay to Ejim, that wouldn't make any sense. This is comparing McKay's PRODUCTION to Ejim's. Lots of people were concerned about how we make up for Ejim's production this year. McKay is doing it. He does it in different ways from different parts of the floor, but he's putting the ball in the hoop and grabbing boards at a similar rate, and effecting the defense significantly more.
 

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People don't like the comparison of production from just a year ago so here is some comparison from this year.
Per 40PointsReboundsAssistsStealsBlocks
McKay4018.110.71.01.24.0
Okafor4023.212.21.81.01.9
Kaminsky4021.910.93.11.02.0
Somebody needs to forward to Greenberg - scary thing is much of Jameel's impact doesn't even show up in the stats - i.e. altering shots and terrifying opponents from even attempting to come in the paint. Guess what? He's getting better & better every game.
 

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Somebody needs to forward to Greenberg - scary thing is much of Jameel's impact doesn't even show up in the stats - i.e. altering shots and terrifying opponents from even attempting to come in the paint. Guess what? He's getting better & better every game.


And getting the team into the bonus earlier in the half, although with the FT shooting sometimes it might not be an advantage.