Wow! Your thoughts, and the guy who's quote you referenced, are quite sobering to say the least.
Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?
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Wow! Your thoughts, and the guy who's quote you referenced, are quite sobering to say the least.
He was on the CF pregame show and talked crazy football stuff. A 10 year backup QB in the NFL knows a thing or two about the game. I would love to see him hired as a QB coach at the least.
I got a LOTR vibe reading this.
[video=youtube;aFW6FGV_tls]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFW6FGV_tls[/video]
I wouldn't think so. ISU ran pretty standard pro style I and single back when he was here I think. They ran a surprising amount of option with him. I even remember him rushing for over 100 yds vs. Colorado. I don't think there is a way to make a mid-season change outside of an internal shift in playcalling. Once the season's over I don't think it matters what the style of the coordinator is.
People thought Gretsky would make a great hockey coach too. Kevin McHale should make a great basketball coach.
Being able to do something doesn't make you good at coaching it.
Unless it's Hoiball. Hoiball works no matter the formation. Wait, Fred was a good QB right? Hey, you guys........
I assume Hoiball on the football field looks something like a Leach offense.
Sign me up.
I'm only 2 pages in and I see a bunch of terrible opinions on this thread, but a few good ideas.
Here are mine, and perhaps they echo yours:
- Keep Mess at least until late in the season, if not to the end of the season. Most in the post game meltdown want a retribution firing. But that isn't going to happen. And if you start treating one person on your staff poorly, then you start treating all people poorly. That isn't what I would expect from Paul Rhoads. My guess is that Messingham will have a clear message about his future by mid-season if he doesn't already have this. Hopefully he has made contacts and can rely on some other expertise to land a job with those contacts thereby relieving us if the situation.
- Yup, I think the players on offense were slow, slow, slow in their execution. Getting some spring in their step may help improve the entire situation. HOWEVER, when the head coach starts complaining about not thinking about setting up plays in a series, you know there is a perceived problem with offensive coaching staff. A defensive coach can see and fear brilliance in an offense both run and called well.
- Seeing Sam Richardson miss badly on so many throws made me wish for both the leadership and accuracy of Jared Barnett. 'nuff said.
- Interesting that Sage Rosenfels was in the area prior to the game. I agree with those who say that Sage understands the game very well. I think he will make a great coach if he chooses to go that way. Interesting how in 2009 when Favre was QB for the Vikings and when Sage was on the sidelines, Favre didn't loose. But toward the end of the season, when they had a lot of road games (where the dynamics of the financial system prohibits the third string quarterback from making the trip), the Vikings would loose. While watching those games, I found it interesting how they would often cut to Favre on the sidelines when Rosenfels with clipboard in hand was running through plays with him. Maybe an offer has already been tendered to Sage to lend his talent to the Cyclones?
Here are mine, and perhaps they echo yours:
- Keep Mess at least until late in the season, if not to the end of the season. Most in the post game meltdown want a retribution firing. But that isn't going to happen. And if you start treating one person on your staff poorly, then you start treating all people poorly. That isn't what I would expect from Paul Rhoads. My guess is that Messingham will have a clear message about his future by mid-season if he doesn't already have this. Hopefully he has made contacts and can rely on some other expertise to land a job with those contacts thereby relieving us if the situation.
- Yup, I think the players on offense were slow, slow, slow in their execution. Getting some spring in their step may help improve the entire situation. HOWEVER, when the head coach starts complaining about not thinking about setting up plays in a series, you know there is a perceived problem with offensive coaching staff. A defensive coach can see and fear brilliance in an offense both run and called well.
- Seeing Sam Richardson miss badly on so many throws made me wish for both the leadership and accuracy of Jared Barnett. 'nuff said.
- Interesting that Sage Rosenfels was in the area prior to the game. I agree with those who say that Sage understands the game very well. I think he will make a great coach if he chooses to go that way. Interesting how in 2009 when Favre was QB for the Vikings and when Sage was on the sidelines, Favre didn't loose. But toward the end of the season, when they had a lot of road games (where the dynamics of the financial system prohibits the third string quarterback from making the trip), the Vikings would loose. While watching those games, I found it interesting how they would often cut to Favre on the sidelines when Rosenfels with clipboard in hand was running through plays with him. Maybe an offer has already been tendered to Sage to lend his talent to the Cyclones?
While I agree with much of the early things you said, and I agree that it disturbs me that this team has '...come out these last two HOME games and crapped all over the field." I don't agree that:
1. Talent gap vs UNI. Though I think ISU has equal and in some cases better talent than UNI, it is true that if an Iowa kid doesn't go to the University of Iowa, he will often choose UNI over ISU. In this particular year, UNI happens to have a very good running back, apparently some beef on the o-line blocking for him, and a quarterback with some accuracy and confidence.
2. Talent gap vs Iowa. Iowa wins with its offensive and defensive line talent. While the hawks can still get talent in spades to fill the offensive line. It is the defensive line where some slack is being seen. The hawkeyes have always been the benefactors of the cream of the crop as far as state talent goes; Even in the off years, they have players that can perform at levels that compare well with those players that Iowa State can assemble from the relative dregs of Texas, Florida, and the heartfelt commits from in-state. Yup, there is a preference gap here. The latest numbers showing Iowa State is now the state university having the largest enrollment is exciting with the benefits it may bring for in state recruiting. Or the enrollment numbers could be an anomaly.
3. Paul Rhoads is still in his head coaching infantcy. As a new head coach, many coaches get to develop themselves at smaller schools where they can be given a number of seasons to work out what good and bad things they do as a head coach. PR hasn't had that luxury. Its his first go-round making big league decisions. And I believe that one that he regrets is allowing Cory Messingham to become the Offensive coordinator. This was a chance he took, no one can deny it. But I think it is wrong to condemn the whole coaching staff for this one poor decision. Messingham will be out by the end of the season in my opinion. NEXT season will be the season that tells us if Rhoads has no future as a head coach. He certainly is not doing well with selecting offensive coaching staffs.
A lot of truth here. It's easy to forget that when Rhoads promoted Mess to OC, he had just three years of head coaching experience under his belt. A mistake was made, but it's probably one that Rhoads is quickly learning from.
That's true, but much more so with head coaches. Knowledge of Xs and Os is a better predictor of success for a coordinator vs. a head coach. You are definitely right, it would be a huge wild card. Then again, how much worse could it get. If for some reason a completely unproven commodity like Sage came in I could see a co-coordinator situation with Klenakis or someone else in the program.
It continues to amaze me how ISU QBs seem to "develop" the inability to throw short accurate passes And this is a really bad thing because the offensive scheme depends greatly on that type of passing. On the bubble screens, if the pass is not right on the money, the play gets blown up because the timing is destroyed.
IMO, there has not been a QB who has made any significant improvement under CPR. In fact, they seem to regress. Something is not right here.
IMO, there has not been a QB who has made any significant improvement under CPR. In fact, they seem to regress. Something is not right here.
Rhoads keeps talking about how it isn't entirely on Mess and more the entire coaching staff. In 2012 Sturdy was hired on as the WR coach and passing coordinator. I can only assume this is what Rhoads is referring to. Obviously our ground game has been less than spectacular (That could be on Mess) but the passing game hasn't been fantastic either (I think this is probably more on Sturdy than Mess). Only Rhoads knows I suppose.
