Mixed signals from Rhoads. What do they mean?

Wesley

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I can see you have as many Cyclone scars as I do! I admire your hope. I really do. As a student, I sat through debacles in the late 70's and early 80's as we gave away the progress of the Majors/Bruce era and descended into a decade and a half of darkness. Conversely, I was in Lincoln in 2009 when we pulled off the miracle. I thought OK St. in 2011 expunged a whole century's worth of demons. Texas in 2010 was icing on the cake. What has me concerned is the ease with which we seem to accept our inevitable fate. I desperately want to believe these coaches are doing everything they can to turn this around. What bothers me is the fashion in which this program has come out these last two HOME games and crapped all over the field. A coaching staff that collectively gets paid millions of $$$ has to be better than this. I don't buy the talent gap argument, not when it comes to UNI and Iowa, and especially after those program changing victories I referenced earlier. My own view is that the program tells us this year whether it has a future or not. Somehow, they have to flip the ****** and steal 4-5 conference wins this year. Otherwise, I know where this is headed. I have seen it before.

CPR makes most of the money. He may make as much as most of the rest of his staff added together. As Head Coach, he should take most of the responsibility.
 

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I keep seeing that people want Mess fired. What's people's opinions on simply demoting him back to his prior position coach position? I can see this happening much easier during the season.
 

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I keep seeing that people want Mess fired. What's people's opinions on simply demoting him back to his prior position coach position? I can see this happening much easier during the season.

I think you have to fire him. I just think that would be a very tense situation.
 

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I keep seeing that people want Mess fired. What's people's opinions on simply demoting him back to his prior position coach position? I can see this happening much easier during the season.

In my ideal world, that works.
Speaking practically, there won't be much respect for the guy who just got demoted. That doesn't have the potential to create anything good on the team, but could create a whole lot of negative outcomes.

If we move him out of his position, and we should, it's better to make it quick and clean. Make it clear that we're all moving on.
 

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In my ideal world, that works.
Speaking practically, there won't be much respect for the guy who just got demoted. That doesn't have the potential to create anything good on the team, but could create a whole lot of negative outcomes.

If we move him out of his position, and we should, it's better to make it quick and clean. Make it clear that we're all moving on.
Quick and painless, like removing a bandaid that sucks at calling offensive plays.
 

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I also are confused by the message he is sending. We play in an offensive league, and there is no chance we can be competitive without an offense. We have been lucky enough to have a stout defense the last few years, and that really has been our only saving grace. I'm no expert, but its clear to see that schematically something is flawed. It's up to CPR to either complain about the output or do something aimed at changing that output.

I've also noticed a change in his demeanor on the sideline. He just doesn't seem as animinated as years past (insert out of gas joke here). I'm sure its tactical, as perhaps he feels the need to calm a younger team, but something just seems off.
 

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I also are confused by the message he is sending. We play in an offensive league, and there is no chance we can be competitive without an offense. We have been lucky enough to have a stout defense the last few years, and that really has been our only saving grace. I'm no expert, but its clear to see that schematically something is flawed. It's up to CPR to either complain about the output or do something aimed at changing that output.

I've also noticed a change in his demeanor on the sideline. He just doesn't seem as animinated as years past (insert out of gas joke here). I'm sure its tactical, as perhaps he feels the need to calm a younger team, but something just seems off.
Yeah, he seems less enthused than in past five years. Maybe, he is worried.
 

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In my ideal world, that works.
Speaking practically, there won't be much respect for the guy who just got demoted. That doesn't have the potential to create anything good on the team, but could create a whole lot of negative outcomes.

If we move him out of his position, and we should, it's better to make it quick and clean. Make it clear that we're all moving on.


Thought this was a good a place as any to debut my new avatar. Saturday night my nebby grad father in law texted me saying 'we both lost, at least ISU looked better'. I replied that I didn't watch the NE game, but our offense is a dumpster fire. Sunday morning I woke up with a vision...the kid pushing the dumpster fire at Veishea with Mess's face put in over the kid's. Thanks to State43 for making it happen.

My opinion is honest, considering my depth of knowledge of football (not very, but I love watching)...Our offense is horrible. Our defense isn't awesome, but we seem to make improvements within games, from game to game, and from season to season...granted, overall our defense isn't better than last year's, but the players who were out there last year and this year look better than they did last year (UNI game aside, and a few players aside) Our offense doesn't show improvements. Arguably, we have better talent on the field than in year 1, of CPR, but our offense looks worse. I don't know what should happen to Mess, but he's in charge of the offense. Hence, in the case where our offense is a dumpster fire, he's the one pushing it.

*edit...admittedly, it's hard to see when it's so small, but state43 did a pretty good job. Here's the original:

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Yeah, he seems less enthused than in past five years. Maybe, he is worried.

Whats there to be enthused about, we have not lead a single time this season. Talking about this offense just gets me more fired up by the day. It is the most pathetic offense I can remember in some time.
 

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I'm only 2 pages in and I see a bunch of terrible opinions on this thread, but a few good ideas.
Here are mine, and perhaps they echo yours:
- Keep Mess at least until late in the season, if not to the end of the season. Most in the post game meltdown want a retribution firing. But that isn't going to happen. And if you start treating one person on your staff poorly, then you start treating all people poorly. That isn't what I would expect from Paul Rhoads. My guess is that Messingham will have a clear message about his future by mid-season if he doesn't already have this. Hopefully he has made contacts and can rely on some other expertise to land a job with those contacts thereby relieving us if the situation.
- Yup, I think the players on offense were slow, slow, slow in their execution. Getting some spring in their step may help improve the entire situation. HOWEVER, when the head coach starts complaining about not thinking about setting up plays in a series, you know there is a perceived problem with offensive coaching staff. A defensive coach can see and fear brilliance in an offense both run and called well.
- Seeing Sam Richardson miss badly on so many throws made me wish for both the leadership and accuracy of Jared Barnett. 'nuff said.
- Interesting that Sage Rosenfels was in the area prior to the game. I agree with those who say that Sage understands the game very well. I think he will make a great coach if he chooses to go that way. Interesting how in 2009 when Favre was QB for the Vikings and when Sage was on the sidelines, Favre didn't loose. But toward the end of the season, when they had a lot of road games (where the dynamics of the financial system prohibits the third string quarterback from making the trip), the Vikings would loose. While watching those games, I found it interesting how they would often cut to Favre on the sidelines when Rosenfels with clipboard in hand was running through plays with him. Maybe an offer has already been tendered to Sage to lend his talent to the Cyclones?

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Yeah, he seems less enthused than in past five years. Maybe, he is worried.

My biggest concern, bigger than offensive playcalling, is that nobody - including Rhoads - looks like they are ready to hit anyone coming off the bus. Where is the intensity and sense of urgency?
 

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CPR makes most of the money. He may make as much as most of the rest of his staff added together. As Head Coach, he should take most of the responsibility.


Agree. However, lowest paid assistants make $190K, so it's not like they are starving middle school teachers. Having said that, I would advocate taking the Big XII money and beefing up salaries to attract better coordinators (much higher need than stadium renovation).
 

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The defense has shown improvement but not so the offense. I do not know what it says when the offense is built around a " QB read" running game and you obviously play a QB who can not physically execute the scheme of the offense. Which then also affects the passing game. Rohach must absolutely be unprepared to run this offense. The injuries on the offensive line and subsequent juggling going on is not helpful by any means but another huge coaching decision that is going on is the refusal to select a #1 and #1a running back and sit the rest. 2 backs can share the load and get into game speed, what they are doing now with a constant shuffle of the backs is unheard of at the D-1 level. To me the offensive problems come down to 3 issues: playing a QB who is hurt, not having a primary running back, and the beat-up o-line. The first 2 can be addressed easily, the last not so much.
 

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Found this article from last year and it seems we have had these problems for awhile and there has been no improvement. CPR owes it to the team and the Cyclone Nation to make a change. The continued insistence of running the same failed plays over and over again is getting this die hard fan down. First downs are rare. Touchdowns even more rare. The lack of offensive production is sucking the air out of this team. Running the ball up the middle and expecting your 3rd string center to open up massive holes is being delusional. There is no cohesiveness and flow to our offense at all. Just a random hodge podge of poor plays that are easily predicted.

HOT MESS: Evaluating Messingham's First Four Games - Wide Right & Natty Lite
 

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Watching the presser after the game, Rhoads doesn't look nearly ****** off enough. Almost passively happy if any type of emotion had to be placed on it.