Early on saying masks do nothing to masks 'may' do something, both of which were heard in the early stages, is much much different than masks work we just don't have enough of them so stay home.
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Early on saying masks do nothing to masks 'may' do something, both of which were heard in the early stages, is much much different than masks work we just don't have enough of them so stay home.
Okay.... so let's say they didn't know enough yet about the Trump Virus, and they said that masks don't help anything from what they could tell.
But then as they learned more about the Trump Virus, they found out that masks do indeed help, and so they recommended that people wear them.
That's how science works. We once thought that the Sun revolved around the Earth too, and then discovered that wasn't correct. It doesn't mean that we're ever going to go back to believing that the Sun does indeed revolve around the Earth.... because we now know that it's a fact that it doesn't.
So once they had evidence that masks do help a lot.... we all should have worn them. But we didn't.... and now here we are.
Even after they told us that masks were ineffective, we've had plenty of opportunity since then to bring our numbers down like Europe has done.... but we're too privileged, selfish, and stupid in this country to do that evidentally.
Here is where they were in late March, advising wearing them only if sick or coughing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/31/health/cdc-masks-coronavirus.html
I think a message of 'We recommend masks in public as they are used in many countries during high virus seasons, but we're short on them at the moment. When they become available, we recommend wearing them in public' without even mentioning the grey area of if they were effective or not. Opening up that grey area imo gave way for people to take it to a whole other level.
Just like calling things 'lock downs', etc., the communication and messaging from all sides in this has been abysmal. It's new and hard to pinpoint things, but a 'This is what we know, this is what we'd like to get to, and this is how we're going to, be aware that it may change' type of deal is at least honest and lets people know where things stand and the stupidity of people would have been at least maybe lessened.
Think about how well Jamie Pollard communicated the plans for football. Agree or not with it, he laid out the foundation for the plan, and left it up to people to decide based on the information available, including a back up plan with allowing for tickets to carry through to the next season. There weren't any committees with 17 point plans with sub-points etc. Just a 'this is what we're doing based on what we know, this is what you can do, and here's what you can do if you decide not to attend'. Most of the reactions iirc on here were 'That's reasonable' even if they didn't agree.
A lot of Europe was also on actual lock down and has just really started easing up. They're not full blown open and it's not gone from there. We'll see what happens as they open up more. I'd bet they see more cases/deaths. I was hoping it would wane off a bit like the original SARS reportedly did but that's not the case.
I probably should've said "how medical response organizations are supposed to work"
The WHO, and CDC, issuing contradictory edicts every few weeks, does little to engender public trust or understanding. It's perfectly reasonable to state something to the effect of "this is what we think we know at this time" with the caveat that they may be wrong or their advice may change. But their advice has been all over the map, which only serves to frustrate and confuse the very people they are supposed to be guiding.
Trump saying it was a "hoax" at first..... and then later saying we've only got 15 cases and we've got that under control and will have it down to zero soon.... and even saying today that we've got a few hotspots but we're putting those out.... that has all been MUCH more damaging than anything the WHO or CDC did at the start.
And it's a lie to say they've been going back and forth on their messaging. At the start they didn't think masks helped.... then they discovered they did.... and ever since then they've consistently held that view.
My bad.
I think how we're handling, or in our case not handling this virus directly relates to whether or not there will be college football this fall.
But I agree I've probably taken it a bit too far into the political realm. I'll steer it back....
I don't believe we'll see any HS or college football this fall..... prove me wrong.
You'll notice I also blamed politicians who don't strongly push mask wearing. However, we're supposed to be able to trust organizations like the CDC and WHO and that trust was violated. When they said we didn't need to wear masks, it opened the door for people to claim that masks don't work, even after the CDC and WHO reversed their claim.
They should have been honest and said that masks work, but we need to save the high quality masks for healthcare workers so people should make their own if they are able. They lied about mask wearing for the "greater good" in their eyes. That's no different than any other government agency lying or covering up their misdeeds for the "greater good". That's why almost every citizen has an inherent mistrust in the government in the first place.
Yeah I don't think it will happen either. I'd love for it...the logistics just don't make sense. I've only experienced a couple of moments of 'normalcy' in this and while it wasn't the same, it was a nice feeling.
OMG.... please don't tell me you believe the bolded sentence above. You can't be that ignorant, right?
Did you see all the people loading up their pickup trucks with 50 cases of toilet paper.... when we were all told to only get what you need?
I give up. Just believe what you want to believe. I can't convince you otherwise obviously. I'll choose to trust the scientists on this, and you can choose to believe what you want.
We'll all get what we deserve in this unfortunately because we're all in this together as one country. It doesn't matter if I do everything I can possibly do if nobody else is going to listen.
As far as this thread goes.... trying to stay on topic a bit..... I see no way there will be any football at all. We can watch European Football (soccer) this fall though since they were smart about it.
I actually don't recall any sort of clear cut message for how people should go about getting food/supplies. People just did it.
Soccer's way easier because there's less physical contact, less players, etc.
Ummmmm.... there's a TON of contact in soccer. But they've been much smarter over there, so they get to have sports. Us.... not so much.
Mask hoarding was a problem in January.
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/he...professionals-who-actually-benefit-from-them/
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/he...professionals-who-actually-benefit-from-them/
I think the masks may not be effective was a thing for about two days. Then people watching not OAN and fox quickly understood it was a shortage
My TV tells me there's a soccer game on tonight. Atlanta United vs. New York Red Bulls.
Is there as much physicality as football? Are there positions where players are constantly engaged physically with another player literally the entire time? Do they huddle often? Are there 100 soccer players on a team?
Basically which one is easier to work out logistics based on numbers?
Sounds good, but we're at the point where for public health's sake it's time to cancel.
It’s not even a question. There are no piles, there are no huddles, there are long stretches of a soccer game where certain positions don’t have anyone near them.
