NCAA messed it up!

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It was kind of foisted. It was a court decision that opened this up.
That said, if the ncaa had been smarter and less greedy (lol) they could have got ahead of this years ago- by setting up a union for players, by passing some rules wrt NIL, etc. But they stuck to amateurism to max out profits at the expense of the athletes. And they lost.

Factually, you're correct. My point was the NCAA chose not to be proactive, which left it up to the court. My guess is if they'd taken control of it, they could have found a solution amenable to athletes that gives them more freedom and income without the total free-for-all college sports has become in the last couple of years.
 
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Now that a majority of the states have NIL laws in place, the NCAA has very few options to stem the chaos.

One approach would be to let the situation fester for awhile longer. No doubt, some nasty shenanigans will surface, and maybe public sentiment will sour on NIL. The NCAA then bans NIL, and takes on the state laws in the courts, hopeful that the Supreme Court will rule that a private organization can set criteria for the people who voluntarily wish to participate in said organization's activities, and thus the state laws are unconstitutional.

Otherwise, with those state laws in place, the NCAA really can't do anything. Maybe if things get bad enough, the states will rescind or amend their NIL laws.
 
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Now that a majority of the states have NIL laws in place, the NCAA has very few options to stem the chaos.

One approach would be to let the situation fester for awhile longer. No doubt, some nasty shenanigans will surface, and maybe public sentiment will sour on NIL. The NCAA then bans NIL, and takes on the state laws in the courts, hopeful that the Supreme Court will rule that a private organization can set criteria for the people who voluntarily wish to participate in said organization's activities, and thus the state laws are unconstitutional.

Otherwise, with those state laws in place, the NCAA really can't do anything. Maybe if things get bad enough, the states will rescind or amend their NIL laws.
That seems like wishful thinking. As long as the money is being made, and there are eyeballs on the product, there's not a lot of incentive to change things. Fans of the blue blood schools aren't going to care, because they are in an advantageous position.

Is the scenario you describe possible? Sure. But it's not likely. Most likely is that people will just get used to the way things are. We've gone through a full football and basketball season with the current NIL rules, and people are still watching. I'm not going to hold my breath in anticipation of some groundswell of public support for repealing any of the laws that were passed
 

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Why should players be expected to be loyal when no one else in the sport is? ADs made tens to hundreds of millions off of players that for decades they've been paying nothing except for a scholarship; any given year the coach can leave for a better job or more pay, while the players he recruited were forced to play for someone they may not want to play for...

So remind me again why players should be forced to live up to a non-negotiable agreement when nobody else is forced to live to the same expectations?
What are you talking about? We give these players a free education that millions would love to have. That gives the University the right to exploit the players and make tens of millions of dollars off their backs. Seems pretty equitable to me.lol
 
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I think the sit out year being wiped away has consequences though. I agree on NIL stuff

Thinking about the sit out year more... especially for the high end players who are NBA bound, that year does cost them. It effectively doubles the amount of NIL cash needed to make it worth while.

E.g. say hunter needs one more year of college ball before going into the draft. He can play that one year here, or else he needs 2 years if he transfers due to the sit out. So the other school has to pay twice as much, or alternately can only offer half as much. And the NBA money is always going to be a lot bigger than any NIL.
It all adds a lot of weight to the "stay put" side of the calculation for the truly elite guys.

I think this rule is a ton more important than i initially believed. Would be helpful though not a complete fix, and probably within ncaa purview to do.
 

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Modifications: (1) sit out one year (2) one time transfer, eliminate players from one & done & one & done on & on (3) two year period tied to post HS enrollment
 

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People for get that the one year sit out transfer rule only applied to FB, MBB, and WBB. In other sports there's no one year sit out rule. At least this is what I understand.

I am surprised that someone in one of those three sports had not sued previously for the inequity in the rules.
 

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Thinking about the sit out year more... especially for the high end players who are NBA bound, that year does cost them. It effectively doubles the amount of NIL cash needed to make it worth while.

E.g. say hunter needs one more year of college ball before going into the draft. He can play that one year here, or else he needs 2 years if he transfers due to the sit out. So the other school has to pay twice as much, or alternately can only offer half as much. And the NBA money is always going to be a lot bigger than any NIL.
It all adds a lot of weight to the "stay put" side of the calculation for the truly elite guys.

I think this rule is a ton more important than i initially believed. Would be helpful though not a complete fix, and probably within ncaa purview to do.
Tyrese would have to improve his 3 a ton to be a pro after sophomore year. Let’s remember monte Morris didn’t leave after 2
 

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Need to limit the number of transfers or at least without penalty. Isn’t Tyler Harris transferring again? Be 4th school? That is ridiculous
 

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Need to limit the number of transfers or at least without penalty. Isn’t Tyler Harris transferring again? Be 4th school? That is ridiculous
If college is supposed to prepare you for your career, why shouldn't you be able to change up your school as many times as you like, if you feel like a different school will better prepare you? There's only a limited number of years you're allowed to play, so the second you enroll at a school, the clock is ticking.
 

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If college is supposed to prepare you for your career, why shouldn't you be able to change up your school as many times as you like, if you feel like a different school will better prepare you? There's only a limited number of years you're allowed to play, so the second you enroll at a school, the clock is ticking.
Not to mention that in the case of Tyler Harris, it might not have even been his decision to leave



In a system where the coach can run a player off without consequence, it would be pretty hypocritical to limit the number of times the player can move as well.
 

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Need to limit the number of transfers or at least without penalty. Isn’t Tyler Harris transferring again? Be 4th school? That is ridiculous
He said the decision to transfer away from Memphis wasn't his though. Imagine a system where a coach can tell a player there isn't a scholarship for you here anymore and the player gets penalized for transferring.
 

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Modifications: (1) sit out one year (2) one time transfer, eliminate players from one & done & one & done on & on (3) two year period tied to post HS enrollment
The one and done is an NBA rule. If the kids had it their way, they'd cut out the year of college altogether.
 
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The one and done is an NBA rule. If the kids had it their way, they'd cut out the year of college altogether.
I was suggesting just a one time transfer from college to college. That would eliminate what has happened to Tyler Harris at Memphis in two ways, the player would think more about his decision to a certain school as he would know that would be his only chance. The coach would also be tasked with evaluating his transfers more selectively as he couldn’t run them off later.
 
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He said the decision to transfer away from Memphis wasn't his though. Imagine a system where a coach can tell a player there isn't a scholarship for you here anymore and the player gets penalized for transferring.
It might be different with Tyler. Not sure of the circumstances. But it might do with Tyler's work/commitment also.

Even in the real world, I don't think it is good to be changing jobs every year.
 

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No argument the current system has developed into a big business where coaches in a handful of sports make CRAZY money. But the reality is a solid coach, is just as important as great players. Look at the heights ISU hoops has reached under coaches like Johnny, Floyd, Eustacy and Hoiberg vs. McDermott & Prohm.

How has Memphis done with their elite HS talent the last few years?

But your statement that AD's have made tens of hundreds of millions off players is misleading. Sure schools have made huge money off FB & MBB, but the money earned by those 2 sports has been invested in student-athlete sport programs in WBB, Wrestling, Volleyball, Track, X-Country, Softball, Gymnastics, etc, etc.

Last time I looked, most P5 athletic departments and all G5 athletic departments are subsidized by their universities.

I am not sure what the future holds. I love to watch Cyclone football and MBB. But I am fearful of what the future holds for the other student athletes at ISU. Personally, I have no issue with football & MBB subsidizing the other athletic teams for the other 300 student-athletes. I feel there is a tremendous value of getting a college education and the lifetime value of getting an ISU degree can be worth millions vs just having a HS diploma. So the compensation that football, basketball AND all other sport student-athletes far exceeds what they "earn" as part of their scholarship.

I would agree that most P5 & G5 schools have sold their soul to the TV Networks and almighty dollar to be part of the club. Personally, I would support Cyclone sport programs the same if we participated in a more Ivy League model that put more emphasis on the STUDENT aspect of being a student-athlete.

I mentioned it in another post yesterday. But I feel the NBA & NFL need to share in the blame. You have club owners who have franchises worth Billions, but they have created a development system where colleges subsidize athlete development AND communities pay for building their stadiums.
Great thoughts. I had lost hope that there was anyone on this forum had a grip on reality.
Before these forums existed we used to refer to the call in shows as "Air Your Ignorance" these forums have more than taken their place.
Thanks for the intelligent response.
 

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What are you talking about? We give these players a free education that millions would love to have. That gives the University the right to exploit the players and make tens of millions of dollars off their backs. Seems pretty equitable to me.lol

I love posts like this…a justification to significantly underpay people based on their value. It’s clearly not equitable because people are willing to give these athletes way more $$$ than they were getting.

Your employer should pay you 1/10 of your salary and maybe you’ll understand better.
 

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It might be different with Tyler. Not sure of the circumstances. But it might do with Tyler's work/commitment also.

Even in the real world, I don't think it is good to be changing jobs every year.

In the industry I work in, changing jobs frequently is pretty normal. When we hire someone, we hope to be able to keep them for 2 years. You bring them in for a project implementation or two, and afterwards, they leave for another job. It doesn't always work out like that, but it does frequently enough that you don't really bat an eye at it.
Changing jobs might not be good for some people, but is that reason enough to make a rule stopping people from doing it?
 

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I was suggesting just a one time transfer from college to college. That would eliminate what has happened to Tyler Harris at Memphis in two ways, the player would think more about his decision to a certain school as he would know that would be his only chance. The coach would also be tasked with evaluating his transfers more selectively as he couldn’t run them off later.
Why are we holding people on Athletic scholarships to a different standard than music or academic or art scholarships?