New Coach: Experience v. Potential

cymonw1980

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I think that ISU should stay away from young coaches on the rise and look at coaches who have HC experience that might stay at ISU even if offered by a school with more tradition.

I currently live in Raleigh, NC. When Duke hired their HC they knew who they were and owned it. Cutcliffe was a great hire and has turned the program around. I think most people would consider Duke football a worse job than ISU (especially before Cutcliffe). When Tennessee approached him about their HC opportunity he choose to stay at Duke. I believe that his experience at Ole Miss was the reason he stayed at Duke. He guided Ole Miss to a 10 win season in 2003 and the following year he had his first losing season in 7 years as the Ole Miss HC. He was fired. He knows what expectations are at Duke and what they are at Tennessee. He also understands what it takes to win and be the HC in a major conference.

Nothing is guaranteed. Duke didn't know Cutcliffe would turn down the Tennessee job (I think it was a very difficult decision for Cutcliffe). But the point is that they knew they would have a better chance keeping a guy like Cutcliffe than they would trying to hold onto a young up-and-coming HC that has never had his chance. At this point there's a good chance Cutcliffe stays at Duke the rest of his carreer and could have a winning record there when he retires.

Side note: When Tennessee approached him he had not yet had a winning season at Duke. So, just as we saw with Chizik, when the next opportunity comes up it doesn't mean they have had a number (or even one) successful season in their current job.

Take a look at what he's done at Duke. ISU's schedule will never be as easy as the ones Cutcliffe has at Duke. But he led them to a 10 win season in 2013. Prior to his arrival, Duke had 10 wins in the previous 8 seasons combined.
 
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spitfyr36

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I wouldn't be heart broken is a guy like Fleck (just throwing out a name) came in for 3-4 years and left if he got at least 7-8 wins a year. I don't know how likely those win totals actually are, but it could change the national perspective of the ISU job. We just need more than anything for someone to come in and show the nation you can win here.
 

dualthreat

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This would favor Fritz over guys like Fleck, Campbell, Monken, Wells...

That'd be fine with me. I agree he should have experience, disagree if you want to hire an old guy that's on his way out of coaching.
 

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Fleck would be a bad hire. Might have a little baggage and possible charecter issues. I think he will end up coaching a bottom B1G school like Illinois.

Give me a coach in his early 40's who has a great reputation.

Fleck would be a good hire. Name a coach that fits your criteria that would actually come to ISU. Dowling coach doesn't count..
 

demoncore1031

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Matt Campbell would be my choice. I hear he will probably interview for the Mizzou job. I think he is a classy guy and I love his experience coaching offensive lines. I'd take him as HC and a veteran OL coach mixed with some young guys at other position spots (Rosenfeld as QB coach and Flynn as WR coach) with Sturdy keeping his job as OC and Ayeni as RB coach.
 

ghostoftazzles

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I think that ISU should stay away from young coaches on the rise and look at coaches who have HC experience that might stay at ISU even if offered by a school with more tradition.

I currently live in Raleigh, NC. When Duke hired their HC they knew who they were and owned it. Cutcliffe was a great hire and has turned the program around. I think most people would consider Duke football a worse job than ISU (especially before Cutcliffe). When Tennessee approached him about their HC opportunity he choose to stay at Duke. I believe that his experience at Ole Miss was the reason he stayed at Duke. He guided Ole Miss to a 10 win season in 2003 and the following year he had his first losing season in 7 years as the Ole Miss HC. He was fired. He knows what expectations are at Duke and what they are at Tennessee. He also understands what it takes to win and be the HC in a major conference.

Nothing is guaranteed. Duke didn't know Cutcliffe would turn down the Tennessee job (I think it was a very difficult decision for Cutcliffe). But the point is that they knew they would have a better chance keeping a guy like Cutcliffe than they would trying to hold onto a young up-and-coming HC that has never had his chance. At this point there's a good chance Cutcliffe stays at Duke the rest of his carreer and could have a winning record there when he retires.

Side note: When Tennessee approached him he had not yet had a winning season at Duke. So, just as we saw with Chizik, when the next opportunity comes up it doesn't mean they have had a number (or even one) successful season in their current job.

Take a look at what he's done at Duke. ISU's schedule will never be as easy as the ones Cutcliffe has at Duke. But he led them to a 10 win season in 2013. Prior to his arrival, Duke had 10 wins in the previous 8 seasons combined.

Great post! I have also followed Duke's turnaround from afar and agree with you. What's great is ISU is in a MUCH better position for success than Duke was. What we need to find is our version of Bill Snyder. If you can win at K-State...you definitely can at ISU.
 

jbindm

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I want a coach who has authored a turnaround at a downtrodden program before. They know what they're getting into and they know what it'll take to succeed. And if they turn things around and then leave, so be it. The program is set up for the next guy to win.
 

CyBobby

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Fleck would be a good hire. Name a coach that fits your criteria that would actually come to ISU. Dowling coach doesn't count..

As usual we will settle for Clone of Rhoads who is a nice guy but will get chewed up by the likes of Texas Okie Okie state etc etc................
 

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