"Northwestern hoops seek United Center date".. Why not Iowa State?

SplitIdentity

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I was trying to substantively respond to a post wherein I agreed that Iowa State should play Illinois if it wants to improve its visibility in Chicagoland. The NCAA selection committee's bias against Northwestern in favor of some terrible mid-majors following the 2011-2012 season was pretty heartbreaking, but it has no bearing on the subject matter of this discussion.

No, finishing the season 8-10 with only 1 win against a ranked team that year cost them a trip to the NCAA tournament.
 

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No, finishing the season 8-10 with only 1 win against a ranked team that year cost them a trip to the NCAA tournament.

One more than your Hawks this year and some of your fans thought they deserved to be in...but yeah Northwestern didn't belong in the tourney that year
 

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Notwithstanding last year's heartbreaking loss to UIC, Northwestern is the top brand in Chicagoland college basketball. At least for now. DePaul could make some noise if they get their arena in Lincoln Park and a greasy coach, though. I was sad to see Carmody go, but I think Collins will be quite a step up and he should get the program back on track after a rough 2012-2013 season.

A win for Iowa State would really help recruiting in Chicago, but you would probably be better off playing Illinois. They have a lot of "fans" (as in people who didn't go there and have no affiliation with the school other than cheering for the basketball team when they are good) when basketball season starts and so I think beating them would give you more exposure than beating Northwestern.

I've always wondered how much mindshare Northwestern really has around Chicago. I can only guess you're a bit closer to it than I was where I grew up, based on the odd spelling of your town in your profile..

Anyways, I'm glad to hear that people do pay attention, even if U of I has the bigger presence outside of Chicago. (Note: I grew up in Illinois, so for me there is only one U of I).

Oh, and ignore those on here who haven't figured out when an appropriate time to trash talk is, and to whom.
 

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One more than your Hawks this year and some of your fans thought they deserved to be in...but yeah Northwestern didn't belong in the tourney that year

Dude, come on now. This little willie guy has been a gigantic doucheturd today. Let me have this one.
 

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Dude, come on now. This little willie guy has been a gigantic doucheturd today. Let me have this one.

Well he is wrong, just had to throw the jab in there that you have some members of your fan base that are as dumb as this guy too
 

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I actually watched an Iowa/Northwestern game last season and I hated NW's style of play so much that I openly cheered for Iowa to crush them. I may not like Iowa, but I take much more offense to the damage NW was doing to the game of basketball.

Imagine 33 seconds of running the weave with passing into and immediately back out of the post when the back cut didn't work getting peppered in. This abomination occurred every single ******* possession.
 
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I actually watched an Iowa/Northwestern game last season and I hated NW's style of play so much that I openly cheered for Iowa to crush them. I may not like Iowa, but I take much more offense to the damage NW was doing to the game of basketball.

To be honest, I agree it isn't the most exciting brand of basketball to watch. But the kids try hard and we don't have guys getting arrested for violent felonies or anything. The high academic standards really hamstring recruiting efforts. I have a great deal of hope that with Collins the administration will give a "free pass" or two per year like Duke does with Coach K. I get sick of watching Duke and hearing about how they do things the right way. I can't imagine Jabari Parker would have qualified at NU.

Losing Scheyer to Duke did crush me, though. He could have singlehandedly turned NU basketball around. I seem to recall you guys getting a similar dagger with a local kid who went to UNC maybe 5 years ago or so. Stuff like that stings. But that was in the past. We get some decent players, like Sobolewski, but you can't expect him to create anything against a guy like Trey Burke, so you pretty much have to take the air out of the ball and hope for a game in the 40s or 50s or else you're almost guaranteed to lose by at least 20.
 

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To be honest, I agree it isn't the most exciting brand of basketball to watch. But the kids try hard and we don't have guys getting arrested for violent felonies or anything. The high academic standards really hamstring recruiting efforts. I have a great deal of hope that with Collins the administration will give a "free pass" or two per year like Duke does with Coach K. I get sick of watching Duke and hearing about how they do things the right way. I can't imagine Jabari Parker would have qualified at NU.

Losing Scheyer to Duke did crush me, though. He could have singlehandedly turned NU basketball around. I seem to recall you guys getting a similar dagger with a local kid who went to UNC maybe 5 years ago or so. Stuff like that stings. But that was in the past. We get some decent players, like Sobolewski, but you can't expect him to create anything against a guy like Trey Burke, so you pretty much have to take the air out of the ball and hope for a game in the 40s or 50s or else you're almost guaranteed to lose by at least 20.

There are other ways to get around talent discrepancies. The long ball comes to mind. There has to be guys out there that instead of working on their athleticism they spend their time shooting threes in the gym when not being forced by their helicopter parents to work on their ACT prep courses.
 

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There are other ways to get around talent discrepancies. The long ball comes to mind. There has to be guys out there that instead of working on their athleticism they spend their time shooting threes in the gym when not being forced by their helicopter parents to work on their ACT prep courses.

Yeah, the long ball is great when it is dropping or when your team is getting long rebounds. But all Big Ten caliber guys like Shurna only come along about once a generation. I don't know if you follow Iowa high school hoops, but our best recruit last year was a kid named Abrahamson from Iowa. He's not very good. If you have a team of Abrahamsons and Sobolewskis you're going to need to shoot about 60% from downtown and have fewer than 5 turnovers a game to beat teams like Michigan and Indiana this past year.
 

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Notwithstanding last year's heartbreaking loss to UIC, Northwestern is the top brand in Chicagoland college basketball. At least for now. DePaul could make some noise if they get their arena in Lincoln Park and a greasy coach, though. I was sad to see Carmody go, but I think Collins will be quite a step up and he should get the program back on track after a rough 2012-2013 season.

A win for Iowa State would really help recruiting in Chicago, but you would probably be better off playing Illinois. They have a lot of "fans" (as in people who didn't go there and have no affiliation with the school other than cheering for the basketball team when they are good) when basketball season starts and so I think beating them would give you more exposure than beating Northwestern.
I'm not sure about that... I know a lot more Indiana, Wisconsin, and Illinois basketball fans in Chicago than I do Northwestern.
When/if they ever make the NCAA tourney, I could finally see the city jump on the Northwestern bandwagon, but until then, most people don't seem the recognize that they have a bball team.
 

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Didn't Collins already snag a good '14 recruit? I know the Cunningham guy that Fred wants is buddies with him (it seems). It's early, but maybe he's the guy to get them to the dance...

someone mentioned DePaul... You guys remember when the ND players compared ISU to DePaul?

Hahaha.
 

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I'm not sure about that... I know a lot more Indiana, Wisconsin, and Illinois basketball fans in Chicago than I do Northwestern.
When/if they ever make the NCAA tourney, I could finally see the city jump on the Northwestern bandwagon, but until then, most people don't seem the recognize that they have a bball team.

Sorry for the misunderstanding - I meant teams that are in actually Chicagoland. I agree that there are a lot more Indiana or Illinois fans in Chicago than Northwestern fans. Nothing sucks more than watching the arena get painted orange or crimson when those teams come to town. Michigan suddenly has a lot of fans, too. That's probably a function of the economy in the Detroit area, though. The UM grads end up moving to Chicago.
 

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Didn't Collins already snag a good '14 recruit? I know the Cunningham guy that Fred wants is buddies with him (it seems). It's early, but maybe he's the guy to get them to the dance...

someone mentioned DePaul... You guys remember when the ND players compared ISU to DePaul?

Hahaha.

I fully expect Collins to up the talent level, but I've heard too many stories about the next great player to fall for it until I see him on the court against legit competition. I mentioned DePaul - I'm not sure where it stands, but some time ago they wanted to build a new arena near their campus. Right now they play way out in the suburbs and probably draw fewer fans than a New Trier HS basketball game does. If they get a Chicago arena and a coach with no morals, I could see them suddenly competing for good players out of Simeon or Whitney Young (maybe not the very top guys like Parker or Davis, but guys like Sam Thompson) and immediately become a legit program.
 

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Didn't Collins already snag a good '14 recruit? I know the Cunningham guy that Fred wants is buddies with him (it seems). It's early, but maybe he's the guy to get them to the dance...

someone mentioned DePaul... You guys remember when the ND players compared ISU to DePaul?

Hahaha.

Yeah, I could see Collins doing some good work in the Chicago area.

Victor Law - Yahoo! Sports
 

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Not to intentionally deviate from the basketball talk, but what do you folks think of a football series with Northwestern? Obviously, the next few years are already booked and we have some good non-con games including with Cal, Stanford and Notre Dame. With the BCS shifting around, I think some schools are looking to play BCS level opponents to prep for the season but very few teams want to go be sacrifical lambs for the likes of Alabama or USC.

Given that the stadiums are relatively equal size and the programs are both trending north, would you guys be interested in a home and home with Northwestern? One important thing is that we have a really tough time getting people to go to games in September, so I'd like to see us start playing some more "local" teams (instead of teams like Syracuse or Vanderbilt) who can bring a bunch of fans. Do you guys think Iowa State would bring at least 8,000 fans or is the drive too far? I would guess Northwestern would only bring maybe 1,000 to Iowa State (we travel like crap).
 

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Not to intentionally deviate from the basketball talk, but what do you folks think of a football series with Northwestern? Obviously, the next few years are already booked and we have some good non-con games including with Cal, Stanford and Notre Dame. With the BCS shifting around, I think some schools are looking to play BCS level opponents to prep for the season but very few teams want to go be sacrifical lambs for the likes of Alabama or USC.

Given that the stadiums are relatively equal size and the programs are both trending north, would you guys be interested in a home and home with Northwestern? One important thing is that we have a really tough time getting people to go to games in September, so I'd like to see us start playing some more "local" teams (instead of teams like Syracuse or Vanderbilt) who can bring a bunch of fans. Do you guys think Iowa State would bring at least 8,000 fans or is the drive too far? I would guess Northwestern would only bring maybe 1,000 to Iowa State (we travel like crap).

In a total hypothetical situation, I don't think there would be much issue for 8k or so fans to make the trip. There is north of 10k alumni living in the Chicago area and for many of us (myself included) an Evanston trip is about the same distance as it takes to get to Ames. If ISU can drag 25k people to Memphis to play a rematch, I'm sure they could pull plenty to Chicago.

In reality, ISU has 10 games locked up every season as is. With the B10 shutting down games with FCS opponents, my guess is that the Iowa Board of Regents is going to force ISU to continue to schedule UNI - someone has to pay for that program. It leaves one slot open per year, which I'm sure the ISU AD will do everything in their power going forward to make sure is a home game.
 

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In a total hypothetical situation, I don't think there would be much issue for 8k or so fans to make the trip. There is north of 10k alumni living in the Chicago area and for many of us (myself included) an Evanston trip is about the same distance as it takes to get to Ames. If ISU can drag 25k people to Memphis to play a rematch, I'm sure they could pull plenty to Chicago.

In reality, ISU has 10 games locked up every season as is. With the B10 shutting down games with FCS opponents, my guess is that the Iowa Board of Regents is going to force ISU to continue to schedule UNI - someone has to pay for that program. It leaves one slot open per year, which I'm sure the ISU AD will do everything in their power going forward to make sure is a home game.

I'm confused. What is Iowa State's 10th locked up game? I thought it was 8 conference games and then you guys always play Io_a, which by my math is only 9 locked up games. I know the Big Ten is switching to 9 games, so I guess Io_a will have 10 locked up games, but I didn't think Iowa State would. That would stink if you have to play Northern Iowa every year. It seems like they should be able to pick up some other BCS team to subsidize their program. I would flip if we had to play the same directional state school every year. The games are always early in the season and after a few years they will have you scouted well. If they have a couple of lucky plays and your QB is having an off day, you can lose one of those things and then your season is completely toast. I have no problem rotating the ones in Illinois with some other teams mixed in on occasion, but no way would I want to play the same team every year.
 

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I'm confused. What is Iowa State's 10th locked up game? I thought it was 8 conference games and then you guys always play Io_a, which by my math is only 9 locked up games. I know the Big Ten is switching to 9 games, so I guess Io_a will have 10 locked up games, but I didn't think Iowa State would. That would stink if you have to play Northern Iowa every year. It seems like they should be able to pick up some other BCS team to subsidize their program. I would flip if we had to play the same directional state school every year. The games are always early in the season and after a few years they will have you scouted well. If they have a couple of lucky plays and your QB is having an off day, you can lose one of those things and then your season is completely toast. I have no problem rotating the ones in Illinois with some other teams mixed in on occasion, but no way would I want to play the same team every year.

The B12 schedule is a full 10 team round robin, has been for a couple years now. So B12 schedule (9) + Iowa = 10.

In terms of UNI, that's the problem that was created with the B10 making the move away from FCS games. For the most part, FCS v BCS opponents are a regional thing. Outside of the B10, you can maybe make an argument for Mizzou, KSU and Kansas being possibilities, but they wouldn't have any pressure from their regents to make it happen. If anything they have their own in state FCS teams to subsidize.

It's all spit balling on my part, but being that ISU, Iowa and UNI all share the same board, it's hard to not see it happening.
 

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Not to intentionally deviate from the basketball talk, but what do you folks think of a football series with Northwestern? Obviously, the next few years are already booked and we have some good non-con games including with Cal, Stanford and Notre Dame. With the BCS shifting around, I think some schools are looking to play BCS level opponents to prep for the season but very few teams want to go be sacrifical lambs for the likes of Alabama or USC.

Given that the stadiums are relatively equal size and the programs are both trending north, would you guys be interested in a home and home with Northwestern? One important thing is that we have a really tough time getting people to go to games in September, so I'd like to see us start playing some more "local" teams (instead of teams like Syracuse or Vanderbilt) who can bring a bunch of fans. Do you guys think Iowa State would bring at least 8,000 fans or is the drive too far? I would guess Northwestern would only bring maybe 1,000 to Iowa State (we travel like crap).

I like the idea. We would definitely bring a lot of fans to a game like that.

I like it a lot more than Tulsa. With your program on the upswing, it's probably a better game for us than the Iowa game.
 

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