O line
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Maybe our new O-line coach isn't that great? People keep piling on Messingham. Rightfully so. But I haven't seen much questioning of the o-line coaching. It's hard to say if the right plays are being called when our quarterback doesn't have time to execute them.
Thing are going to be fine. The offensive line is filled with injured youth who have a big upside. We need to practice some patience and let them develop. The O-Line recruits for last year are probably the best we have ever recruited. You can't expect to be successful in the Big 12 when our o-line is this young and hurt. Drink some pepto and be excited for basketball and football next year.
The offensive line didn't decide that Shontrelle Johnson was the best option to gains one yard twice in a row when you have Jeff Woody sitting on the sidelines. This is a coaching problem, plain and simple.
It is absolutely coaching; go have the oline go hit some more pads hoping that will somehow teach them to block a real person and pick up blitz. My gosh our oline constantly gets pushed off the ball and their first move is two steps back. Rhoads is the problem he has no idea how to engineer a successful offense; I would be fine with him hiring his dad to run the offense.
There are no guarantees, obviously, but I'm nowhere close to giving up hope with the o-line. Reasons:
-Klenakis will have a year of development under his system
-The youth will mature physically and mentally
-Doubtful that we will have another year with this many injuries (knock on wood)
This unit has a lot going against it right now, so I'm not sure I understand the panic. If it continues into next year, then it will be warranted.
-Klenakis will have a year of development under his system
-The youth will mature physically and mentally
-Doubtful that we will have another year with this many injuries (knock on wood)
This unit has a lot going against it right now, so I'm not sure I understand the panic. If it continues into next year, then it will be warranted.
I actually feel pretty good about the O-Line for next season.
Klenakis will have another year under his belt. From everything I have heard, he is a great coach for this team. Just working with young pieces.
Also, just look at this: http://www.cyclones.com/pdf9/2553238.pdf?SPSID=48388&SPID=4653&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=10700
We are hardly losing anyone, and we're gaining guys like Campos, Curtis, and Homa, all of which have the ability to contribute next season.
This is contributing to my confidence of the offense as a whole next season: Sam is back at QB, Wimberly and Nealy in the backfield, with Bundrage, Jarvis, and Montgomery (not to mention Lazard) as WRs, and Bibbs at TE. The offense should have some talent and experience next season.
Klenakis will have another year under his belt. From everything I have heard, he is a great coach for this team. Just working with young pieces.
Also, just look at this: http://www.cyclones.com/pdf9/2553238.pdf?SPSID=48388&SPID=4653&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=10700
We are hardly losing anyone, and we're gaining guys like Campos, Curtis, and Homa, all of which have the ability to contribute next season.
This is contributing to my confidence of the offense as a whole next season: Sam is back at QB, Wimberly and Nealy in the backfield, with Bundrage, Jarvis, and Montgomery (not to mention Lazard) as WRs, and Bibbs at TE. The offense should have some talent and experience next season.
I think we have a nice core of young guys, all of whom should be waiting in the wings lifting and preparing. Our upperclassmen have been terrible. We're taking our lumps with freshmen and sophomores, because our upperclassmen are totally ineffective and those who aren't have been injured. Let's just speak plainly and directly. It's an emabarrassing trainwreck. They need a ton of coaching, and I hope Klenakis can do it. At least he has a long track record of coaching the spot for good teams, unlike who he replaced. It takes longer for the hogs to develop, so we will just need to be patient. We have no choice. A key problem is that even when healthy, I'm not sure they are physically adequate to the competition. Combine that with fact that the personnel management, playcalling and innovation certainly are subpar makes it a terrible situation.
Yeah I am going to give Klenakis a pass this season. He came in and installed a whole new scheme for the line and threw out all the old tape. He is building something brand new on the line. During the preseason all I heard out of his mouth was that the O-line guys worked hard. I just hope they continue to buy into what he is trying to make because they might be second guessing him since they have not had any good production this year.
Lots of unknowns for next year up front...I would be in favor of adding a couple JUCO O-linemen just in case. Injuries and position shuffling have ravaged this team. Next year the brunt of the line with be JR/SR heavy, but will still have question marks.
Well they couldn't get much worse considering the fresh faces, injuries and learning a system under a first year o-line coach?? Off-season work outs with Yancy and the rest of this season should pay dividends for this green offensive line.
First year in the new O-line system, lots of youth overall, injuries have hit our best linemen and caused lots of players to be shuffled around week-to-week. Add that up and you get a sub-par performance. Remember, also, that Rhoads has been recruiting players based on frame and development potential, not immediate impact for the most part. Our young guys are probably less able to step in right away and dominate. Give them a few years of hard work to reach their potential and they could be a pretty solid line.
The o line we put on the field last year for the Liberty Bowl was weak. Follow that up with arguably one of our poorest O lines, ever this year. I don't think panic is in order, but concern is certainly warranted.
Exactly-for example Jamison Lalk and Carter Bykowski committed to us as tight ends. I think after a couple years in the system our line should be solid. Plus, we've got some hog-mollies coming in like that Kodanko kid who's already 320.
How many years do they need? This is not intramurals. Paul will not have any hair left if the oline doesn't improve.
It's coaching. I just posted in another thread how year after year under Rhoads I've heard excuses of why the O-line is underperforming. At this point, anything I hear other than, "We'll be getting new coaches next year on offense," just has me believe it will be another year I hear excuses as to why they can't even block a three man rush.
Yeah, I agree, I've seen them be over manned when the other team has sent 6 or 7 guys on a blitz, but I've seen almost as many times where they only rushed 3 and 2 of them got to the QB almost immediately. Our entire offense is a joke. Jeff Woody sitting on the sideline when we have multiple short yardage 3rd downs is a complete joke. Running the read option play after play, when it's not working is a complete joke.
Yeah, I agree, I've seen them be over manned when the other team has sent 6 or 7 guys on a blitz, but I've seen almost as many times where they only rushed 3 and 2 of them got to the QB almost immediately. Our entire offense is a joke. Jeff Woody sitting on the sideline when we have multiple short yardage 3rd downs is a complete joke. Running the read option play after play, when it's not working is a complete joke.
It is not that the Oline is compromising this "offense" but that the offense compromises the Online.
This offense is not well designed and not well executed (play-calling). Worse yet, we see different players making the same fundamental mistakes.
This offense is not well designed and not well executed (play-calling). Worse yet, we see different players making the same fundamental mistakes.
