Reminder this is a guy who posted ‘I hate this team’ less than 12 hours ago.
*** Official #23 BYU vs #10 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***
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Name another team we are competing with for a 3 that has losses as bad as Kansas St and Oklahoma State.
It wasn't just that we lost, we were throughly outplayed by 2 teams under .500.
JFC, that’s the point-we aren’t Houston. It wasn’t long ago that we were viewed above or similar.
Yes, middle of the pack teams do lay eggs, yet can win a game or two in the NCAA. That’s the type of team we’ve become.
That’s good for this program, particularly for the NIL era, but a clear fall from the preseason sentiment…or even the mid-January viewpoint
I mean yes and no. We clearly don't have the depth that Houston has. That's the big difference. I think it's also worth noting that TJ's substitution pattern is very calculated. Right or wrong I do think that really impacted us when Milan was hurt. Everything we were doing changed. A struggling Heise was asked to do more and we no longer had a player that could help stretch the floor. It's obvious we were a completely different team when healthy.
I was hoping we'd have a deeper rotation this year. Obviously that hasn't materialized.
How common is it for major-conference teams to play 9+ guys serious minutes? Is that a common thing? Just looking at some top teams this year, number of guys who average 6+ minutes per game and have missed no more than 10 games:
Auburn: 9
Duke: 10
Houston: 8
Tennessee: 8
Florida: 8
St Johns: 10
Alabama: 9
Michigan State: 10
Texas Tech: 8
Iowa State: 8
Clemson: 9
Wisconsin: 9
Maryland: 9
Obviously we don't have the depth of some of these teams.
Michigan State is interesting, no one averages more than 26 minutes, and they only have one player averaging more than 23 minutes.
How common is it for major-conference teams to play 9+ guys serious minutes? Is that a common thing? Just looking at some top teams this year, number of guys who average 6+ minutes per game and have missed no more than 10 games:
Auburn: 9
Duke: 10
Houston: 8
Tennessee: 8
Florida: 8
St Johns: 10
Alabama: 9
Michigan State: 10
Texas Tech: 8
Iowa State: 8
Clemson: 9
Wisconsin: 9
Maryland: 9
Obviously we don't have the depth of some of these teams.
Michigan State is interesting, no one averages more than 26 minutes, and they only have one player averaging more than 23 minutes.
How do you trolls completely ignore how this team was playing prior to injuries? That's the discussion.
You get outrebounded by 30.
People who are supposed to know about basketball looked at ISU and made them pre-season #5. Why has ISU become a middle of the pack team? Why should ISU be more mentally/physically exhausted than any other Big 12 team going through the grind? I don't have the answers, but if things don't turn around, the ISU coaching staff needs to find some answers to those questions.
ISU does have depth. They just don't play.
If we'd have pulled it out, the answer to "how do you lose when you outrebound the other team by 30" would have been "you turn it over 29 times"
Trolls? You're the one making all the excuses. Yes, we've had injury and illness issues. No, that shouldn't make you lose at home by 18 or be non-competitive against a 6-12 team on the road.
I hate to go here but part of the reason we looked so good early is our schedule ended up being alot worse than we thought.
We have the signature win at Tech, but what else before the Milan injury? Marquette was suppose to win the Big East and look like a 5 seed. Dayton looked like an NCAA team against us and they won't make the tourney.
Iowa is one of the worst teams in the Big 10 and we needed a late run to beat them. Baylor and Kansas are significantly worse than they were suppsoe to be.
I'm glad i went to bed at halftime. Getting outrebounded 2 to 1 is 100% due to lack of effort. This team's ceiling is Sweet 16, unless they get a lucky draw.
Their ceiling might be S16 only with a perfect draw. They just don't have the offensive consistency and toughness down low to be confident in March. Teams that go on long scoring droughts multiple times per game and give up tons of rebounds don't fare well.
This is an honest question because I haven't watched a ton of games outside the Big 12 this year. We still have a Top 30 offense.
Do other teams in the top 30 have lapses like this where they look like it's a struggle to score and aren't even running much of an offense?
I honestly have no idea.
ISU women were #8.
KU men were #1.
Preseason ratings aren't facts. But the fact is this team has stayed in the top 10 for the entire season! I expect they will fall out now, but that doesn't mean they were completely overrated.
You missed one hell of a game.
Long and athletic teams are kryptonite for this team. The guards struggle vs length, and the bigs struggle vs athletic guys in the paint. Athletic includes footspeed too - the only guy on this team I'd call fast is Keyshon.
It was the same last year vs Illinois; talent and length were too much to overcome with skill. Close though.
Herein lies the problem—this is not the gameplan. We can only assume the coaching staff is trying everything it can to prevent the players from doing this. Otz has talked about ball movement before. But injuries and illnesses preventing guys not only from playing in games but also from practicing is still affecting the team. They don't quite trust each other on passes, and aren't on the same wavelength as far as ball-handlers-not-named-Lipsey and anyone off the ball. Don't take my word for it, everyone should watch the CF video of Otz’s postgame responses. He made no excuses, but said their success early in the season was almost entirely the result of guys "earning it" on the practice court. But in recent months they have not had a full cast in practice, the implication being they haven't been able to "earn it," i.e., extensively prepare to perform at their best in games. We can say "They should be fresh, then!" or "Practices aren't that useful,“ but it's hard to repeatedly plug guys into games who haven't necessarily practiced at full speed—or at all—with the other guys you want to play big minutes.
So, lack of trust/discombobulation -> hesitant and stagnant offense. I’m not saying Otz is Mark Pope, but I can’t get on board with the people saying Schmidt needs to go or that Otz has no idea how to coach offense. These aren't Xs and Os problems IMO. The coaches aren’t telling the players to pass it once, stand around, and have Jefferson take a timid floater or Jones take a long 2.
What last night boils down to is whether you think there's not enough time left for guys to get in sync, or whether they proved to themselves even in a loss that they can lean on their defense when they're struggling on the other end. Those who believe the former may be right. I'm going to hold out hope for the latter because, honestly, last night plus the weather in the Midwest right now has me bummed, but optimism is a choice.
This team's ceiling is definitely a Final Four but they certainly haven't played like it over the last 2 months. We've beaten ONE tournament team since mid-January...doesn't exactly inspire a lot of confidence for March. But the NCAA tournament is weird and anything can happen.
I can name a lot of teams that would love to be in ISU's position being a program with great fan support, nationally relevant, making sweet 16 runs (and hopefully advancing further soon!!), multiple conference tournament titles, etc
I think it's important to look at the big picture and appreciate what TJ has done with this program in only 4 years
I guess I would push back against a “middle of the pack team” as they were #10 in the AP on Monday and have been a #2 or #3 seed in any reputable mock bracket. They are similar to Texas Tech, Arizona and BYU which is probably a #3 seed, #4 seed and #5 seed respectively. When did a #3 or #4 seed in the tournament become “middle of the pack.”
