*** Official IOWA STATE vs #3 Kansas Game(Day) Thread ***

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"Accuse your enemy of what you are doing, as you are doing it to create confusion."

On brand for alarson.

Not really. I give plenty of reactions of all kinds, but can't think of a single time i've ever gone back through someone's post history just to hit them with a bunch of dumbs.

Not my fault you consistently post the absolute dumbest **** so you pretty much just get one kind.

Also you literally just went and dumbed my comment in a thread that hasn't had any posts in like 3 days.
 
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with that said, I am going to be critical of the officiating. We had takes to the hoop where KU was physical with us, lots of bumping and contact, they let it go. Holmes got fouled a couple of times on a drive, King got fouled pretty good on a made basket. The contrast was evident. The foul on Kunc on a KU drive to the hoop was so soft compared to the hard fouls that KU was committing. I don't care how they game is called, just be consistent, and I didn't see that yesterday. I really felt KU got the benefit of playing more physical and getting away with more than we did.
Well said. KU was allowed to play fast and downhill all game. This was really obvious, and far different from Friday’s game where BOTH Baylor and Iowa State were allowed to play fast and downhill. Any time KU needed something they could resort to the good ol fashion “sprint at the hoop head down and a foul and 2 free throws will be rewarded.” We simply were not allowed to play KU physical under the hoop. The 2 games earlier in the year against KU, the refs were very consistent on both ends, even at AFH. Last night was not consistent. They looked HARD and blatantly for Iowa State “mistakes” (the travel on Jaren, the awful RJ moving screen, and the travel by Osun are just a few examples - 3 whistles where the ref willed the call, and 3 whistles that were not reciprocated against KU). Tre and RJ were understandably frustrated.

KU played really well, and looked quite confident. Officials ensured they never got too far out of rhythm. Would love to get matched up against KU again, I absolutely love our chances with an NCAA tourney crew.
 

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Didn't they miss the free throws?

That was dumb but didn't define the outcome.
This is just silly. Basketball isn’t played in a vacuum. Of course 1 call doesn’t define an outcome. Each “bad break” though, when compiled - tells a very important story in a basketball game of 40 minutes. The momentum a TO creates in that situation is huge for Iowa State. And a choice was made to ensure that didn’t happen.
 

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This is just silly. Basketball isn’t played in a vacuum. Of course 1 call doesn’t define an outcome. Each “bad break” though, when compiled - tells a very important story in a basketball game of 40 minutes. The momentum a TO creates in that situation is huge for Iowa State. And a choice was made to ensure that didn’t happen.

So you say it doesn't happen in a vacuum but put a bunch of weight on something that didn't give points to either team.
 
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Hey was that the one where Lipsey’s 3 was waived off? I was bummed that he had a nice shot and they took it away.
It might've been Tamin. It happened so fast, and they never showed a replay.

To bad, all the more, if it was Tamin. He could have used that to improve his confidence.

ESPN definitely glossed that one over. And Tamin really doesn't think that way anyway. I think he knows he's going to improve his stroke. I count on him doing it too.

Edit: @NENick says it was Gabe that hit the waved off 3. See post #1160.
 
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Did we play with Wilson balls? Heard they can be an issue for one team and not the other.
We were using Nike Elite Championship ball at Hilton, during the season. I don't know how many times, but I think the home team has the choice of balls? I don't know if we used the new Wilson ball this year at Home.

Now that it is getting close to Dance time, it looks like the Big 12 Tourney chose to use the Wilson ball.

So, I'm assuming they will be using the Wilson ball again for the NCAA's? But I'm not sure. They used Wilson last year. If so, a good move, in that it will give the teams a little more chance to get used to the ball for the Tourney.
 

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Didn't they miss the free throws?

That was dumb but didn't define the outcome.
Didn't someone on our team get a foul at that point in the game that they shouldn't have? Didn't they get to start shooting fts or 2 fts one foul earlier than they should have? Did it change how we had to play D 1 or 2 minutes earlier?

The ramifications if a bad call are so much more complex than some if you are willing to contiplate.

The officiating matters, officials are good people who are fallible and the game and our technological capabilities demand they figure out a way to call games better. We nerd a system that does not include only humans on the floor calling the games. Bad position, turned heads, blocked views, coach influence and worst of all, unbalanced calls at either end of the court during the game because of basic official's mechanics. Technology and crowdsourcing should be figured out. End of story.
 

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How about the KU out of bounds and they shoot FTs. It was at a critical time.
Yeah, that was a bad miss by the baseline official. I still don’t think we were going to muster enough offense to win that game but a few calls at key moments kept the game from being a lot closer at the end.
 

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Didn't someone on our team get a foul at that point in the game that they shouldn't have? Didn't they get to start shooting fts or 2 fts one foul earlier than they should have? Did it change how we had to play D 1 or 2 minutes earlier?

The ramifications if a bad call are so much more complex than some if you are willing to contiplate.

The officiating matters, officials are good people who are fallible and the game and our technological capabilities demand they figure out a way to call games better. We nerd a system that does not include only humans on the floor calling the games. Bad position, turned heads, blocked views, coach influence and worst of all, unbalanced calls at either end of the court during the game because of basic official's mechanics. Technology and crowdsourcing should be figured out. End of story.
Butterfly effect, especially possible when the opposing team knows or thinks it was a bad call(s) against them.
Coaching makes a huge difference if you subscribe to this definition.

The tendency of a complex, dynamic system to be sensitive to initial conditions, so that over time a small cause may have large, unpredictable effects
 

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Didn't someone on our team get a foul at that point in the game that they shouldn't have? Didn't they get to start shooting fts or 2 fts one foul earlier than they should have? Did it change how we had to play D 1 or 2 minutes earlier?

The ramifications if a bad call are so much more complex than some if you are willing to contiplate.

The officiating matters, officials are good people who are fallible and the game and our technological capabilities demand they figure out a way to call games better. We nerd a system that does not include only humans on the floor calling the games. Bad position, turned heads, blocked views, coach influence and worst of all, unbalanced calls at either end of the court during the game because of basic official's mechanics. Technology and crowdsourcing should be figured out. End of story.

Did it?
 

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Not exactly sure.
Yeah, that was a bad miss by the baseline official. I still don’t think we were going to muster enough offense to win that game but a few calls at key moments kept the game from being a lot closer at the end.
Then you throw on that if you watch the clock, it was slow to start. A second slow or so doesn't seem like a big deal but now realize that the foul occurred with 0.2 seconds on the clock and you have a shot clock violation. Refs didn't determine the game, but to go to replay and miss two mistakes is not confidence building.