*** Official IOWA STATE VS #8 Texas Tech Game(Day) Thread ***

[MartinCy]

Just realized how much turnover Texas Tech will have between this season and next...

Will be replacing 5 out of their 7 rotation players (4 starters):
Mooney, Owens, Francis, Odiase are seniors + Culver (Soph) will enter draft.
Just shy of 70% of their total scoring.

Oh and Morretti is a top candidate for "he's still there?!" in 2 years Only a
sophomore

 

[LarryISU]

**** your feelings.

https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/rpi-ranking/rpi-rating-by-conf

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...tball-conference-power-rankings-according-bpi

why are we looking at an ESPN ranking for the 2017/2018 season?

 

[Cyclonepride]

Just realized how much turnover Texas Tech will have between this season and next...

Will be replacing 5 out of their 7 rotation players (4 starters):
Mooney, Owens, Francis, Odiase are seniors + Culver (Soph) will enter draft.
Just shy of 70% of their total scoring.

Oh and Morretti is a top candidate for "he's still there?!" in 2 years Only a
sophomore

It feels they lost a **** ton from last year too, and are still very damn good. Might be the reason he wants to get his freshman stud in there now to get some battle scars.

 

[cyclones500]

I remember falensheck getting a technical for hanging on the rim the in Iowa city. That was an ugly game.

Was that the Iowa game in Orr's first season? (I think Ron's sophomore year) -- I think I remember the rim-hang. If that's the game you're referencing, that was ugly. Seems like there were several questionable/BS foul calls on RF. Although it probably wouldn't have mattered anyway, it was a blowout.

 

[Gunnerclone]

why are we looking at an ESPN ranking for the 2017/2018 season?

Sorry about that. Doesn’t change anything though. Pretty much every metric has Big 12 as the top conference. Again.

http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html

 

[cyclones500]

Allen and Harris were his first recruits and played in Johnny's first year. It was Jon Ness -- great shooter from Roland-Story, I believe, but they had to play a zone when he was in as he wasn't very quick, as I recall. Harmison was the year before.

Robert Estes was a good scorer.

Ness had a game that year when he scored roughly 25 points, can't recall the opponent. Apparently he was nailing shots from like 30 feet (this was pre-3-point-line days). I caught the game on radio, so details are hazy, auditory memory only.

And defensively you're right, I don't think he was the quickest guy on the planet.

Re: Estes, I agree. He's one of those "Lost to History" players.

 

[MartinCy]

It feels they lost a **** ton from last year too, and are still very damn good. Might be the reason he wants to get his freshman stud in there now to get some battle scars.

Agree. I wouldn't bet against Beard.

Adding Mooney was huge this last off season and Owens plays a nice role as their rim protector. They likely won't have an NBA lottery/top 20 pick guy next season though like they had these past 2 years.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Just realized how much turnover Texas Tech will have between this season and next...

Will be replacing 5 out of their 7 rotation players (4 starters):
Mooney, Owens, Francis, Odiase are seniors + Culver (Soph) will enter draft.
Just shy of 70% of their total scoring.

Oh and Morretti is a top candidate for "he's still there?!" in 2 years Only a
sophomore

They lost 67% of their scoring and 5 of their top 6 (6 of their top 9) going into this year.

We’ll see if Beard can do it two years in a row. He had Culver as a logical “step-up” guy, and added two starters via grad transfer. I think they’ll have a good backcourt with Morretti, Edwards, and their recruiting class (top-25). They are high on the forward Moore who just played for the first time, and have a top juco forward coming. If they add two more starters via grad transfer, Beard’s defense will have them in the tournament.

 

[bosco]

It wasn’t slightly negative bro. And you will be right back there when we lose again (probably Monday)

OK brah.

 

[AuH2O]

I watched the replay on the 5 second call (up 61-56 with under 4 to go). Absolutely HORRIBLE call. As soon as the ref gives the ball to Babb, he has his "counting arm" out for the first second - that wasn't even one second. As an official, you should give the ball to the player and mentally be counting "one thousand one" and the counting arm goes out at the end of the phrase. Next, his 3rd pass with his counting arm is much faster than the 2nd time he did it. The other egregious error was that he blows the whistle immediately after extending his counting arm on the 4th second. He had hardly started to count that final second. I timed that sequence and the total elapsed time (from Nick getting the ball to throwing it inbounds) was about 3.5 seconds. I know officiating is quite subjective and there are going to be blown calls, but that was just AWFUL officiating. It's stuff like that (and the end of the KSU game where the Wildcats get an extra possession because a ref who is at half court overturns a call - wrong call in fact - that happened on the baseline with his partner having a much better view) can totally change the course of the game. Fortunately we were able to counteract that terrible call last night - but it definitely helped TTU to get over the hump of their 5-7 pt deficits late in the game to eventually tie it. Just like in the KSU game - Wade scored a two pointer off that "free" possession. If that call is NOT made, at the worst, ISU is up 5, drains about 25 seconds off the clock, misses a shot & KSU's ability to make up the 5 point deficit is much more difficult. Instead, they are only down 3 with 30 more seconds on the game clock.

That 5 second call was horrible, ISU was still going through what I'd consider their "setup" cuts when 5 gets called. There are times when you watch live and think "that seems a little quick." Usually on those it might actually be 5 seconds, but as you say, typical practice gives a good 6 or so from when they touch the ball. I've never seen one like that where watching it live you KNOW it was not close to five seconds. Just terrible.

 

[I-stateTheTruth]

Ness had a game that year when he scored roughly 25 points, can't recall the opponent. Apparently he was nailing shots from like 30 feet (this was pre-3-point-line days). I caught the game on radio, so details are hazy, auditory memory only.

And defensively you're right, I don't think he was the quickest guy on the planet.

Re: Estes, I agree. He's one of those "Lost to History" players.

Ness could really shoot the rock.

 

[bozclone]

Ness had a game that year when he scored roughly 25 points, can't recall the opponent. Apparently he was nailing shots from like 30 feet (this was pre-3-point-line days). I caught the game on radio, so details are hazy, auditory memory only.

And defensively you're right, I don't think he was the quickest guy on the planet.

Re: Estes, I agree. He's one of those "Lost to History" players.

I grew up in Story City, so my Dad bought basketball season tickets when Ness decided to go to ISU. Hilton was such a different place back then. Pathetic crowds and no home court advantage. Thank God for Johnny Orr. Johnny changed everything.

 

[I-stateTheTruth]

I grew up in Story City, so my Dad bought basketball season tickets when Ness decided to go to ISU. Hilton was such a different place back then. Pathetic crowds and no home court advantage. Thank God for Johnny Orr. Johnny changed everything.

I saw him play at Vets in the state tournament. He was knocking 'em down in that game.

(Digressing from game thread - my apologies).

 

[bozclone]

I saw him play at Vets in the state tournament. He was knocking 'em down in that game.

(Digressing from game thread - my apologies).

He was unstoppable as a High School player. He would have been a star at Iowa State if the 3 point line would have been in play back then.

 

[I-stateTheTruth]

He was unstoppable as a High School player. He would have been a star at Iowa State if the 3 point line would have been in play back then.

That's a good point.

 

[LLCoolCY]

They lost 67% of their scoring and 5 of their top 6 (6 of their top 9) going into this year.

We’ll see if Beard can do it two years in a row. He had Culver as a logical “step-up” guy, and added two starters via grad transfer. I think they’ll have a good backcourt with Morretti, Edwards, and their recruiting class (top-25). They are high on the forward Moore who just played for the first time, and have a top juco forward coming. If they add two more starters via grad transfer, Beard’s defense will have them in the tournament.

Yeah, Beard is already pretty sure Kavon Moore (Frosh 5 star) won't be at TT 3 years. They made the decision to not RS him this year and are going to be integrating him for the second half for that reason.

Let's also remember Beard has developed Culver and Z Smith in a short time to NBA lottery type picks. Beard may lose a lot of upper classman this year but reinforcements are in place.

 

[cyclones500]

I saw him play at Vets in the state tournament. He was knocking 'em down in that game.

(Digressing from game thread - my apologies).

Further derailing, here’s the entire roster from 80-81 (based on sports-reference.com). I’m surprised I remember almost all the players, at least by name.

Robert Estes
Ron Harris*
Ron Falenschek
Lefty Moore
Jon Ness
John Kunnert
Malvin Warrick
Charles Harris*
Bill Buchanan (Wouldn't have remembered, but seeing list triggered recollection)
Terrence Allen
Derrick Thomas
Doug Jones
Tony Rasheed (see Bill Buchanan)
Mike Decello (Only name I don't recognize)

* I mentally lumped those players into a Harris Trilogy: Charles, Ron, Raynal.

 

[Deleted member 8507]

I watched the replay on the 5 second call (up 61-56 with under 4 to go). Absolutely HORRIBLE call. As soon as the ref gives the ball to Babb, he has his "counting arm" out for the first second - that wasn't even one second. As an official, you should give the ball to the player and mentally be counting "one thousand one" and the counting arm goes out at the end of the phrase. Next, his 3rd pass with his counting arm is much faster than the 2nd time he did it. The other egregious error was that he blows the whistle immediately after extending his counting arm on the 4th second. He had hardly started to count that final second. I timed that sequence and the total elapsed time (from Nick getting the ball to throwing it inbounds) was about 3.5 seconds. I know officiating is quite subjective and there are going to be blown calls, but that was just AWFUL officiating. It's stuff like that (and the end of the KSU game where the Wildcats get an extra possession because a ref who is at half court overturns a call - wrong call in fact - that happened on the baseline with his partner having a much better view) can totally change the course of the game. Fortunately we were able to counteract that terrible call last night - but it definitely helped TTU to get over the hump of their 5-7 pt deficits late in the game to eventually tie it. Just like in the KSU game - Wade scored a two pointer off that "free" possession. If that call is NOT made, at the worst, ISU is up 5, drains about 25 seconds off the clock, misses a shot & KSU's ability to make up the 5 point deficit is much more difficult. Instead, they are only down 3 with 30 more seconds on the game clock.

Here is a still shot of the MJ foul where they allowed the three point shot to count and gave the ball back. Not doubt, the foul occurred but it was before the shooter even caught the ball let alone shot it. In this shot, the ball is right by the two players in the foul. The shot had to be about 3.5 seconds after the foul . . . . .

 

[madguy30]

Here is a still shot of the MJ foul where they allowed the three point shot to count and gave the ball back. Not doubt, the foul occurred but it was before the shooter even caught the ball let alone shot it. In this shot, the ball is right by the two players in the foul. The shot had to be about 3.5 seconds after the foul . . . . .

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And people say we fans only have issues with the refs when ISU loses.

Just glad it worked out in ISU's favor in the end but this kind of **** needs to stop.

The tip out vs. KSU was awful and for both teams that game was really inconsistently officiated.

Were fouls just easier to discern back in the day when basketball was less physical? And why is it within two minutes to be reviewed? A close out of bounds situation should be corrected at all times. If breaking up the game too much is a concern, then trade TV time outs or something.

 

[CTTB78]

...
Good ol' Falenschek. You're totally right, he was not a good fit for what Orr wanted to do. Regardless, he was Massive.
....

Still is.
Ron's a good dude and living the good life in the Twin Cities.