Pop-Tarts Day After Review

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The question I have is what's the complaint if Noel scores on one of his receptions on that drive or if ISU scores on a run on 1st down on the 1st and goal. Would people still question the staff for not holding up or something?
If we had scored on a pass there, I would still have the same complaint, we passed in a situation where I think we should run and force the opponent to burn timeouts if we don't score.
 

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If we had scored on a pass there, I would still have the same complaint, we passed in a situation where I think we should run and force the opponent to burn timeouts if we don't score.

Sure, and I agree, as I stated.

My question is whether there's actually a complaint if ISU scores on first down or if Noel gets in.

Would that not fall under the 'Gave Miami too much time' column for some?
 

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Sure, and I agree, as I stated.

My question is whether there's actually a complaint if ISU scores on first down or if Noel gets in.

Would that not fall under the 'Gave Miami too much time' column for some?
It looks like you're fishing for someone to say something ridiculous like we should have downed it a couple times, so I'm just going to check out.
 

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Sure, and I agree, as I stated.

My question is whether there's actually a complaint if ISU scores on first down or if Noel gets in.

Would that not fall under the 'Gave Miami too much time' column for some?
Not so much a complaint, but more of a 'would have prefered we score with less time on the clock...'

Forgive me if I believe it is ideal to not leave the game to chance, by lowering the probability of allowing Miami to score again.
 

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It worked out obviously, but when you are that close to the goal line with that score and that much time left, I don't know why you do anything other than line up and muscle it over the middle into the endzone. We had plenty of timeouts if we needed to stop the clock for any reason.

There is a weird vibe on this forum that whenever we win, you are not allowed to criticize any of the decision-making in the game without getting Dumb'd or "you should email the coaching staff har har".
Late reply here, but wanted to comment on this. Sometimes the reactions are due to how something is written. Some posters struggle with sounding constructive when questioning decisions. Interpreting tone in writing can be hard anyway. There are also people that come across as having no perspective that things are good. We made our conference championship game. Most wins ever. Won the game. Context has to matter here. Would we love to win every game? Sure. Finding the negative amongst so many positives can be a downer to those that come here to enjoy the good times while still hoping for better next year. There are also a lot of armchair offensive coordinators that act like they know better than the coaching staff. Others act like the coaching staff can do no wrong, and it makes the haters want to argue. No coach is infallible or gets it right 100% of the time. They undoubtedly have reasons for decisions that many of us may not be aware of but are not above criticism. Just needs to be tempered with the awareness that fans can't know all the factors at play. Coming across as a know it all, negative person that can't enjoy nice things, or generally a hater will get negative reactions.
 

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Not so much a complaint, but more of a 'would have prefered we score with less time on the clock...'

Forgive me if I believe it is ideal to not leave the game to chance, by lowering the probability of allowing Miami to score again.
In real time you aren't going to slice the clock perfectly: making the best call with a ticking clock is NOT going to happen at the end of a game. All game long you've been play calling in rhythm and now you are calling things to advantage your clock. You absolutely must err on the side of scoring vs. shaving and trust your defense to manage the remaining clock. It would have been nice to work in a snowblow series but there is such a thing as getting too greedy.
 

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A situation like this could help Jaylin with the draft or landing as a UFA. He played the game, balled out in the game, and he wasn’t injured. Id expect teams when drafting in the late rounds would appreciate that type of leadership character in a player
Or a future coaching position on our staff!
 

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In real time you aren't going to slice the clock perfectly: making the best call with a ticking clock is NOT going to happen at the end of a game. All game long you've been play calling in rhythm and now you are calling things to advantage your clock. You absolutely must err on the side of scoring vs. shaving and trust your defense to manage the remaining clock. It would have been nice to work in a snowblow series but there is such a thing as getting too greedy.
Preferring a run play or two in that situation isn't asking for perfection. Plus run plays were working too; don't forget the TD was a run play...

If you can't (or won't) admit that it would have been better to score with either/both Miami having no timeouts left (they had 1) or ~30 less seconds on the play clock, there is no further point in debating. One run play gives you one or the other, another gives you both; assuming neither are scoring plays. Pass plays that fail (as they did) give you neither.
 
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Late reply here, but wanted to comment on this. Sometimes the reactions are due to how something is written. Some posters struggle with sounding constructive when questioning decisions. Interpreting tone in writing can be hard anyway. There are also people that come across as having no perspective that things are good. We made our conference championship game. Most wins ever. Won the game. Context has to matter here. Would we love to win every game? Sure. Finding the negative amongst so many positives can be a downer to those that come here to enjoy the good times while still hoping for better next year. There are also a lot of armchair offensive coordinators that act like they know better than the coaching staff. Others act like the coaching staff can do no wrong, and it makes the haters want to argue. No coach is infallible or gets it right 100% of the time. They undoubtedly have reasons for decisions that many of us may not be aware of but are not above criticism. Just needs to be tempered with the awareness that fans can't know all the factors at play. Coming across as a know it all, negative person that can't enjoy nice things, or generally a hater will get negative reactions.

I understand that my tone was probably read much worse than I intended, and that blame certainly falls on my wording. I also stated in my OP and many times later that I thought Mouser otherwise called a great game. I still find the end of game calls baffling, and I maintain that the best-case/worst-case outcomes of pass vs run very strongly favor running the ball. In the end, it doesn't matter. We won.

The thread is a review of the game. My review was 90% positive, and my wording led to most focusing on the negative. You can go back through my posts over the last 15 years and I'm not sure you could find 5 more negative things I've said.
 

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Duh!
I understand that my tone was probably read much worse than I intended, and that blame certainly falls on my wording. I also stated in my OP and many times later that I thought Mouser otherwise called a great game. I still find the end of game calls baffling, and I maintain that the best-case/worst-case outcomes of pass vs run very strongly favor running the ball. In the end, it doesn't matter. We won.

The thread is a review of the game. My review was 90% positive, and my wording led to most focusing on the negative. You can go back through my posts over the last 15 years and I'm not sure you could find 5 more negative things I've said.
It’s been extremely negative around here, especially since the CCG. We won the game the mood did a 180. Unintended tone perhaps, but also timing. After all the negativity, I think folks were in the mood to celebrate and not hear more negative #*$& just after the game. Throw in that this discussion is now at the 72 hour mark.
 

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And they didn't really clarify that originally.

Most including myself think running there was the best option and my perspective has nothing to do with clock; ISU was legit at QB dives to a point where two in a row probably scores the TD.

The question I have is what's the complaint if Noel scores on one of his receptions on that drive or if ISU scores on a run on 1st down on the 1st and goal. Would people still question the staff for not holding up or something?
Yes
 

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I think everyone understands that if Cam Plays, they probably win. The cool thing about that? nobody is going to care about that in the history books.

We are damaged goods on tackling and stopping the run, so I hope we can get that figured out next year.
Great win and season.
I do think Higgins and Porter being out hurt us as well. They are difference makers.
 
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I understand that my tone was probably read much worse than I intended, and that blame certainly falls on my wording. I also stated in my OP and many times later that I thought Mouser otherwise called a great game. I still find the end of game calls baffling, and I maintain that the best-case/worst-case outcomes of pass vs run very strongly favor running the ball. In the end, it doesn't matter. We won.

The thread is a review of the game. My review was 90% positive, and my wording led to most focusing on the negative. You can go back through my posts over the last 15 years and I'm not sure you could find 5 more negative things I've said.
Honestly I am not fully caught up this thread. Definitely more of a general comment and not directed at you or anyone else. And even then, it is okay to disagree on message boards ;).
 

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I think ISU improved recruiting chances here in Florida. When I first moved and married my wife from Miami 8 years ago. None of her huge family had even heard of Iowa State.. I’m pretty sure they know them now.. lol I’ve heard nothing but positives of what they thought of the team and have heard many positive things about our coach.. All of my family said they wish Miami had him. That has to make Iowa state’s recruiting brighter here in south Florida
 

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Some thoughts entering the offseason after the game.

1. Offense looked good this game. Will need improvement to offset skill position losses, and hopefully Rocco can clean up mechanics for more consistent delivery. It was reassuring to see Rocco distribute the ball well this game though.

2. Clearly there are issues with the defense right now. Happy they got a stop on the last drive. I'm not sure if issues will be corrected in the offseason by getting guys back healthy again or if we will need to re-evaluate and make modifications to the scheme.