Ranking Big 12 coaches ...

[surly]

1. Bill Self - has his weakest in first place tie
2. Bob Huggins - ugly but effective
3. Lon Kruger - history makes this case
4. Scott Drew - maybe a slot too low due to his ability to develop talent
5. Bruce Weber - overachieving/only coach not named Self with a conference title
6. Chris Beard - first place but it's early in his career
7. Jamie Dixon - underachieving
8. Steve Prohm - sweet personality/won with the other dude's recruits
9. Shaka Smart - should have stayed in Richmond, VA
10. Mike Boynton - maybe a slot too low

 

[TheJackWePack5]

1. Bill Self - has his weakest in first place tie
2. Bob Huggins - ugly but effective
3. Lon Kruger - history makes the case
4. Scott Drew - maybe a slot too low due to his ability to develop talent
5. Bruce Weber - overachieving again/only coach not named Self with a conference title
6. Chris Beard - first place but it's early in his career
7. Jamie Dixon - underachieving
8. Steve Prohm - sweet personality/won with the other dude's recruits
9. Shaka Smart - probably should have stayed in Richmond, VA
10. Mike Boynton - maybe a slot too low

Did you pull these from somewhere or these yours?

If so I agree with your top 4. 5-8 probably interchangeable. Bottom two I agree on.

 

[cyclonedave25]

Top 4 are correct.
The rest are debateable.
Lets remember, Bruce Weber has more losing conference records than winning. And his Conference Championship was won with other guys recruits, the same reason you docked Prohm.

 

[surly]

Did you pull these from somewhere or these yours?

If so I agree with your top 4. 5-8 probably interchangeable. Bottom two I agree on.

No, they're my own. Just giving the subject some thought this morning halfway through the season. I do believe Smart is in the wrong place though. And further, that both Drew and Weber are vastly undervalued.

Weber won a conference championship. His present team is way overachieving. He's sent guys to the NBA. He has an eye for and then develops talent.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

I would put Beard, Dixon, and Prohm ahead of Weber

 

[cyclonedave25]

I would put Beard, Dixon, and Prohm ahead of Weber

Weber has made a living off other coaches recruits.
Bill Self’s at Illinois.
Frank Martin’s at KSU.

 

[jc4cy]

Agree with most. My personal would be:

1. Bill Self
2. Bob Huggins
3. Lon Kruger
4. Scott Drew
5. Chris Beard
6. Steve Prohm
7. Bruce Webber
8. Jamie Dixon
9. Shaka Smart
10. Mike Boynton

 

[TheJackWePack5]

No, they're my own. Just giving the subject some thought this morning halfway through the season. I do believe Smart is in the wrong place though. And further, that both Drew and Weber are vastly undervalued.

I disagree.

Regardless of how you spin it, neither of them are getting ahead of Self, Huggins, or Kruger.

Weber is winning right at about the average rate of the K-State program historically (his two best seasons were with Martins recruits, wink wink), while Drew is winning at about 12% higher rate than Baylor's history.

 

[CyTwins]

1. Self
2. Huggins
3. Kruger
4. Drew
5. Beard
6. Dixon
7. Prohm
8. Smart
9. Weber
10. Boynton

 

[surly]

Weber has made a living off other coaches recruits.
Bill Self’s at Illinois.
Frank Martin’s at KSU.

Weber's won championships with recruits of others, yes. But others didn't recruit Marcus Foster, Wes Iwundu or Dean Wade.

 

[chuckd4735]

1. Bill Self - has his weakest in first place tie
2. Bob Huggins - ugly but effective
3. Lon Kruger - history makes this case
4. Scott Drew - maybe a slot too low due to his ability to develop talent
5. Bruce Weber - overachieving/only coach not named Self with a conference title
6. Chris Beard - first place but it's early in his career
7. Jamie Dixon - underachieving
8. Steve Prohm - sweet personality/won with the other dude's recruits
9. Shaka Smart - should have stayed in Richmond, VA
10. Mike Boynton - maybe a slot too low

No bias here at all. Prohm "won with the other dude's recruits" , but lets ignore the fact that Weber's conference title was won with the other dude's recruits (the same year he lost in the first round of the NCAA, in KC, as a 4 seed).

 

[surly]

No bias here at all. Prohm "won with the other dude's recruits" , but lets ignore the fact that Weber's conference title was won with the other dude's recruits (the same year he lost in the first round of the NCAA, in KC, as a 4 seed).

WTH, I said that above.

But set that aside, do you believe ISU is better than K-State today or next season when the Cats return the entire roster?

 

[Playboi Carti]

Agree with most. My personal would be:

1. Bill Self
2. Bob Huggins
3. Lon Kruger
4. Scott Drew
5. Chris Beard
6. Steve Prohm
7. Bruce Webber
8. Jamie Dixon
9. Shaka Smart
10. Mike Boynton

What has Prohm done to that put him ahead of Smart and Dixon?

 

[TheJackWePack5]

Weber's won championships with recruits of others, yes. But others didn't recruit Marcus Foster, Wes Iwundu or Dean Wade.

I get your point, but it's not like they've won 25+ games with them (or even 22+)

 

[CyTwins]

1. Bill Self - has his weakest in first place tie
2. Bob Huggins - ugly but effective
3. Lon Kruger - history makes this case
4. Scott Drew - maybe a slot too low due to his ability to develop talent
5. Bruce Weber - overachieving/only coach not named Self with a conference title
6. Chris Beard - first place but it's early in his career
7. Jamie Dixon - underachieving
8. Steve Prohm - sweet personality/won with the other dude's recruits
9. Shaka Smart - should have stayed in Richmond, VA
10. Mike Boynton - maybe a slot too low

The 5th best coach in the league is .500 in conference and has never made it to the round of 32 while in the Big 12? Lol cmon man

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

I hope K- State keeps him forever.

 

[kccyclone3]

Bruce Weber. Ha!

 

[Playboi Carti]

Weber's won championships with recruits of others, yes. But others didn't recruit Marcus Foster, Wes Iwundu or Dean Wade.

Foster also transferred out of the program

 

[chuckd4735]

Weber's won championships with recruits of others, yes. But others didn't recruit Marcus Foster, Wes Iwundu or Dean Wade.

And Weber has been a combined 37-46 in conference play since his first year, you know, when his players have been in there...

 

[cyclonedave25]

Weber's won championships with recruits of others, yes. But others didn't recruit Marcus Foster, Wes Iwundu or Dean Wade.

This season isn’t over yet so don’t count your current record, but how many Big 12 seasons has Bruce coached those players to a conference record over .500?