Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[FriendlySpartan]

Yeah, if for some reason the Big Ten and SEC never pull a single jenga piece of UNC, UVA, FSU and Clemson I guess we're potentially stable. Seems like a massive "if".

The Big 12 somehow avoided that exact thing for over a decade with Texas always flirting. The massive difference is for most of those years Texas was actually raking in the most cash of all college athletics programs so it wasn't like they chose to stay in the Big 12 and slum it for less money, they were cashing bigger checks than SEC/Big Ten foes at the time they chose to stay.

Notre Dame is always out there as a potential "OK we are done" for the Big Ten. That's probably the best hope for the ACC teams outside of those four who would have a home. Even if the Big Ten does that, then the SEC has to say they're all good too...which does make more sense because they're already in Florida and South Carolina so they're really just saying no to Virgina, and North Carolina.

The other possibility is that UNC and Virginia have no desire to go to the SEC. UNC wouldn’t want to leave Duke (alums would revolt unless the conference imploded) and Virginia would never want to associate with the SEC.

Again not putting money on it, but there is a small possibility

 

[HFCS]

The other possibility is that UNC and Virginia have no desire to go to the SEC. UNC wouldn’t want to leave Duke (alums would revolt unless the conference imploded) and Virginia would never want to associate with the SEC.

Again not putting money on it, but there is a small possibility

In the scenario where Big Ten gets ND and is just done cutting up the pie, that's the next issue I would agree. It's not absolutely guaranteed there's interest both ways with SEC/UVA/UNC and Clemson/FSU are in markets they already have.

With the Big 12 and ACC so even already pre-defections, it really wouldn't take hardly anything for a few teams to jump to Big 12 and if Yormark is still running things he'd take 2/3 of them. A few like Pitt and Louisville have a 0% chance of an SEC/B1G invite yet fit into the new Big 12 absolutely perfectly.

I see Boston College, Wake Forest and maybe a few others as the next Oregon St/WSU. Believe me it's not joyful because ISU/KSU seemed to be those prospective teams for a decade in a half.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

I figure that but there has to be something behind the scenes for the 6 team version to come out so early vs the others.

With last Big 12 expansion Arizona was in for a looooong time, but they had to drag their feet for ASU. CU had no reason to drag its feet so that's why they announced first. Is it the Pac West playing chess or is it Utah St, Nevada/UNLV dragging feet?

Utah State would say yes before they got the question out. UNLV has some legislative issues where they may have to bring Nevada along.

I think the PAC had to hear 'no' from the AAC schools and Air Force before they could settle in on the final few invites.

 

[HFCS]

Utah State would say yes before they got the question out. UNLV has some legislative issues where they may have to bring Nevada along.

I think the PAC had to hear 'no' from the AAC schools and Air Force before they could settle in on the final few invites.

I really think Memphis/USF/UTSA/Tulane are better off where they are. Seems some of these we're getting into really granular "upgrades". You have to factor in that the current American teams aren't going to be raided again if they say no to this new Pac.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Utah State would say yes before they got the question out. UNLV has some legislative issues where they may have to bring Nevada along.

I think the PAC had to hear 'no' from the AAC schools and Air Force before they could settle in on the final few invites.

Do you actually believe those legislation issues? That’s been said about cal, TT, OSU, etc over the years and never turned out to be true.

 

[1UNI2ISU]

Do you actually believe those legislation issues? That’s been said about cal, TT, OSU, etc over the years and never turned out to be true.

This is the rare case where I do. Nevada politics are really weird and controlled by 3 or 4 families who have always been very pro-Reno and anti-Vegas.

 

[HFCS]

Do you actually believe those legislation issues? That’s been said about cal, TT, OSU, etc over the years and never turned out to be true.

I believe they are speed bumps for those programs compared to say Colorado. I don't believe they are road blocks at all, like you said we've seen a ton of them now.

I probably knew the most about the recent Arizona issues. AZ wanted to jump even before USC did because their conference is such a basketball afterthought, then ASU was just irrationally clinging to the past and had to be dragged along. Arizona would have been Big 12 even if ASU was determined to stay with Cal/Stan/OreSt/WSU.

 

[2speedy1]

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That's pretty darn impressive.

Yet they still have almost no brand name value. They would be a money suck. More than the other top options for non FB schools. And really adding any non FB schools at this point is not good.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Yet they still have almost no brand name value. They would be a money suck. More than the other top options for non FB schools. And really adding any non FB schools at this point is not good.

Until I came on this board where they are talked about a decent amount I couldn’t have even told you what state they were in.

 

[CyCrazy]

Gonzaga has made exactly ONE (1) NCAA tournament with coaches not named Mark Few.

Dan Monson was roughly 30 games over 500 when he coached there. Gonzaga probably didnt get love back then. Anywho I dont care.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

If PAC’s forecasts are correct, $10-15M in TV rights per year with basketball as the flagship program is going to make Gonzaga one of, if not the, highest basketball budgets in the country.

Assuming what, 70% of that budget goes to basketball plus donors and gate revenue. How many other schools have like a $10M annual budget for basketball?

Surprisingly there are quite a few schools approaching that number with schools like Louisville and Kentucky blowing that number out of the water. Here is a list of schools from 2018, so it gone up from then. They list Gonzaga spending almost $9 million 6 years ago.

NCAA Tournament's Biggest Spenders Usually Rank Among Its Biggest Winners, Too

Nobody in the NCAA tournament field pays less per victory than the small-conference teams that get in with automatic bids. However, the programs that receive at-large bids and advance out of the opening weekend generally spend at least $6 million on men's basketball.

www.forbes.com

 

[CyCrazy]

I would take Creighton over them but naw on both.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Surprisingly there are quite a few schools approaching that number with schools like Louisville and Kentucky blowing that number out of the water. Here is a list of schools from 2018, so it gone up from then. They list Gonzaga spending almost $9 million 6 years ago.

NCAA Tournament's Biggest Spenders Usually Rank Among Its Biggest Winners, Too

Nobody in the NCAA tournament field pays less per victory than the small-conference teams that get in with automatic bids. However, the programs that receive at-large bids and advance out of the opening weekend generally spend at least $6 million on men's basketball.

www.forbes.com

Wonder if Louisville still spends that much to put absolute trash out on the court

 

[HFCS]

I would take Creighton over them but naw on both.

16 is plenty until 2/3 of the ACC is on the board. Sounds cutthroat but it's true. Fully expect UConn to be level with lots of the ACC options too.

We've already been the toughest basketball conference by leaps and bounds for a decade and rarely get the credit for it. It's not like we're in some desperate race to add Gonzaga or Creighton or even UConn to maintain that. We just brought in freaking Arizona.

 

[JHUNSY]

 

[JHUNSY]

 

[StPaulCyclone]

Why do you want Creighton? They have almost no name rec and have only made it past the sweet 16 once in 80 years. Is it just the proximity?

Agreed. Oh, and Pollard and other ADs don’t want BB only schools, because you would be willing give them an unfair advantage

 

[JHUNSY]

 

[HFCS]

If all they add is Utah St and the best non MWC school to get to 8 they won't really be head and shoulders above the MWC, maybe just slightly. It's not like SDSU has always been some basketball power either, the MWC could actually be the better top to bottom basketball conference if UNLV/Nevada hold MWC together even with Gonzaga joining Pac.

In football the new Pac would pretty clearly be better unless WSU/Oregon State regress without their major conference advantages which is possible.

I always wonder at what point the Montana schools or NDSU join one of these. They'd actually be some of the better football programs across both of these conferences. The Montana schools are a geographic fit to MWC and this new league too. I think a second playoff, a "Europa League" to the CFP "Champions League" would help teams like that make a jump. The G5 conferences could get the auto bids to the second playoff.

 

[SolterraCyclone]

This hasn’t been a disastrous day for the Pac6 (7). But it’s been close.

Lost the top of the AAC and all but one of the middle of the MWC, as they just got Utah State. What was looking like a solid push to be far and away the best of the G6 last week, has definitely gone up in flames.

I also question how a league of OSU, WSU, SDSU, CSU, Boise State, Utah State, Fresno State will fetch $10-15M a year. That lineup is on par with the AAC and they get, what, $7M a year?