Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[CascadeClone]

What is the chance ND is helping ACC use FOX/BIG to shakedown ESPN?

ACC with a motivated ESPN that is willing to do things to keep the ACC alive (similar to LHN with Big 12 in 2010) is a risk to Big 12 imo.

In reading the ACC forums, many are wanting to add PAC schools and 1-2 Big 12 schools, often Houston, Cincinnati, and KU. Some Baylor talk. Whether this is indicative of leadership, who knows, but that conference is desperate to expand. Who is to say ESPN doesn't agree to redo that deal with unequal revenue sharing (mentioned by ESPN's Pete Thamel) in attempt to appease schools and lure additions?

If we can't get the Big 16/18/20 to occur, do Big 12 schools consider leveraging the ACC GOR length and current PAC uncertainty against each other, to get a ACC-Big 12 pseudo merger? What is the downside of all but BYU and UCF joining the current ACC? If it stays together, it is superior to adding 4 corners to Big 12 imo. Worst case scenario it loses 8 ACC schools, and BYU and UCF are added, and it is a Big 18, waiting on the top 6 PAC schools like we are now.

I've been thinking P3 with the Big12 having a HUGE tent of 24 or even 32 teams, and the B1G and SEC with 20-24 each as well. The 3rd conference being centrally located as Big12, but reaching to both coasts.

If it ends up as a P4, with 16-20 teams per conference, would you rather have ISU in the ACC with a couple other Big12s (e.g. WV, Cincy, UCF) or still out west with the most of the current Big12 plus PAC rump?

 

[RustShack]

What is the chance ND is helping ACC use FOX/BIG to shakedown ESPN?

ACC with a motivated ESPN that is willing to do things to keep the ACC alive (similar to LHN with Big 12 in 2010) is a risk to Big 12 imo.

In reading the ACC forums, many are wanting to add PAC schools and 1-2 Big 12 schools, often Houston, Cincinnati, and KU. Some Baylor talk. Whether this is indicative of leadership, who knows, but that conference is desperate to expand. Who is to say ESPN doesn't agree to redo that deal with unequal revenue sharing (mentioned by ESPN's Pete Thamel) in attempt to appease schools and lure additions?

If we can't get the Big 16/18/20 to occur, do Big 12 schools consider leveraging the ACC GOR length and current PAC uncertainty against each other, to get a ACC-Big 12 pseudo merger? What is the downside of all but BYU and UCF joining the current ACC? If it stays together, it is superior to adding 4 corners to Big 12 imo. Worst case scenario it loses 8 ACC schools, and BYU and UCF are added, and it is a Big 18, waiting on the top 6 PAC schools like we are now.

No one’s taking a pay cut to go from the Big12 to the ACC.

 

[CYCLNST8]

If I was the Pac 10 I'd be pushing hard for six of the Big 12 teams:

Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech

Baylor, BYU, and TCU are out because of religious affiliation, and the eastern schools are out purely because of travel distance.

Maybe it's been brought up before, but I haven't seen a lot of discussion about it. This new look "Big 16" would be worthy of a decent payout:

BIG 8
Colorado
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Utah

PAC 8
Arizona
Arizona State
Cal
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Washington
Washington State

No need for scheduling "pods;" I think the schools would be happy sticking to their eight-team divisions with a few crossover games.

 

[Yaz]

If I was the Pac 10 I'd be pushing hard for six of the Big 12 teams:

Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech

Baylor, BYU, and TCU are out because of religious affiliation, and the eastern schools are out purely because of travel distance.

Maybe it's been brought up before, but I haven't seen a lot of discussion about it. This new look "Big 16" would be worthy of a decent payout:

BIG 8
Colorado
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Utah

PAC 8
Arizona
Arizona State
Cal
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Washington
Washington State

No need for scheduling "pods;" I think the schools would be happy sticking to their eight-team divisions with a few crossover games.

Haven't been able to follow this thread. Why are we talking about BIG12 teams going to the PAC?

 

[JHUNSY]

Anyone else notice that the Pac-12 media fanboys are getting a little more desperate on Twitter lately? Jason Scheer is going off on Canzano today and it’s quite entertaining:

 

[RustShack]

Haven't been able to follow this thread. Why are we talking about BIG12 teams going to the PAC?

Some people apparently think we want to take a pay cut.

 

[NorthCyd]

Anyone else notice that the Pac-12 media fanboys are getting a little more desperate on Twitter lately? Jason Scheer is going off on Canzano today and it’s quite entertaining:

Reads like a couple of posters squabbling on CF.

 

[CYCLNST8]

Haven't been able to follow this thread. Why are we talking about BIG12 teams going to the PAC?

Some people apparently think we want to take a pay cut.

Was just a hypothetical. Take a look at the lineup I posted and give me detailed reason why it's so much worse than what we currently have planned.

 

[PickSix]

Is it just me, or has the conference social media gotten feistier since Yormark took over? https://www.facebook.com/2198281957...vNeiEtDZ5MEpd3EkcxgBgZRjHnQLQLVf6pNhRrml/?d=n

 

[HFCS]

The fact that UCLA averaged like in the low 40,000's for home attendance at the Rose Bowl tells you all you need to know about the PAC attendance.

As long as the stadiums being discussed have decent capacity, I think % of capacity is still useful.

And Pasadena in the fall is pretty much perfect weather all the time, plus it's a great area to hang out before and after the game.

Their first game of the year MIGHT be slightly too hot...the entire rest of the season 99% chance of sunny and 65-70.

Vs northern schools trying to get fans into seats in November when the team isn't winning.

 

[exCyDing]

If I was the Pac 10 I'd be pushing hard for six of the Big 12 teams:

Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech

Baylor, BYU, and TCU are out because of religious affiliation, and the eastern schools are out purely because of travel distance.

Maybe it's been brought up before, but I haven't seen a lot of discussion about it. This new look "Big 16" would be worthy of a decent payout:

BIG 8
Colorado
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Utah

PAC 8
Arizona
Arizona State
Cal
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Washington
Washington State

No need for scheduling "pods;" I think the schools would be happy sticking to their eight-team divisions with a few crossover games.

The first problem is the PAC is not a viable option as the base for a P2 conference. Top to bottom, the value isn't there. If it was, the Big XII/PAC merger talks would've continued a lot longer. They ended so quickly I can only assume that the numbers were so far off it wasn't even worth talking culture.

If you ranked the value of the PAC and Big XII teams, BYU, TCU and Baylor would all rank in the top half. Now we're back to the numbers not working again. I really don't think there's a combination of Big XII schools that would erase the deficit of the PAC, and throwing out three from the top half definitely isn't going to help.

 

[isuno1fan]

Is it just me, or has the conference social media gotten feistier since Yormark took over? https://www.facebook.com/2198281957...vNeiEtDZ5MEpd3EkcxgBgZRjHnQLQLVf6pNhRrml/?d=n

Definitely a bit of a slap fest going on currently

 

[WhoISthis]

No one’s taking a pay cut to go from the Big12 to the ACC.

Agree- it would likely be a raise.

But I have little doubt that WVU would take a modest pay cut to be in a conference with the ACC schools. Potentially Cincy too.


If the 4 corners pass and a Big 16/18 can't happen, it will be something we have to factor in imo.

The worst outcome for ISU is the 4 corners going to ACC, which would likely lead to some Big 12 schools. And although it may not be the singular most probable outcome, all it would take is ESPN doing another Longhorn Network type move, and deciding it will spend to keep the ACC around, thereby making money off the ACCN. They have a long position on the ACC to protect.

 

[CoKane]

If I was the Pac 10 I'd be pushing hard for six of the Big 12 teams:

Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech

Baylor, BYU, and TCU are out because of religious affiliation, and the eastern schools are out purely because of travel distance.

Maybe it's been brought up before, but I haven't seen a lot of discussion about it. This new look "Big 16" would be worthy of a decent payout:

BIG 8
Colorado
Houston
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Utah

PAC 8
Arizona
Arizona State
Cal
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Washington
Washington State

No need for scheduling "pods;" I think the schools would be happy sticking to their eight-team divisions with a few crossover games.

If youre the PAC and you're banking on Oregon and Washington being there for sure then you're already done

 

[cyclones500]

If youre the PAC and you're banking on Oregon and Washington being there for sure then you're already done

And, eventually, probably Stanford. Or at least "maybe."

 

[Triggermv]

Is it just me, or has the conference social media gotten feistier since Yormark took over? https://www.facebook.com/2198281957...vNeiEtDZ5MEpd3EkcxgBgZRjHnQLQLVf6pNhRrml/?d=n

 

[WhoISthis]

I've been thinking P3 with the Big12 having a HUGE tent of 24 or even 32 teams, and the B1G and SEC with 20-24 each as well. The 3rd conference being centrally located as Big12, but reaching to both coasts.

If it ends up as a P4, with 16-20 teams per conference, would you rather have ISU in the ACC with a couple other Big12s (e.g. WV, Cincy, UCF) or still out west with the most of the current Big12 plus PAC rump?

Agree on getting the Big 12 into a big tent. whether that tent is called the Big 12 or ACC is irrelevant to me, as long as 10-12 Big 12 schools are in it. Hence, if we miss on building the Big 16 or 18, getting 10 Big 12 schools into the ACC would be attractive and risk reducing for all R8. Going west makes less sense, for the same reasons why the PAC has been in decline for over a decade.


10 Big 12 schools in the ACC is better than risking a P4 in which although the Big 12 if unified is in a good spot, is only a WVU, Cincy, UCF to ACC away from schools being left out, or ending up as satellites on the coasts like WVU is now.

Say all but BYU and UCF are invited to ACC. It would be tough to pass on a 14 year GOR with like of all out Big 12 peers, Houston, Cincy, UNC, Duke, Miami, FSU, Clemson, VT etc. Even with the high bait and switch risk, I think 2-3 Big 12 schools would jump if ESPN is interested in protecting ACC (more money), and if all 10 Big 12 schools go, if the ACC gets decimated by P2, we end up being the base of the 3rd super conference either way

If Wendy and JP, it would be hard to pass on that security just over a name

 

[RustShack]

I would be shocked if ESPN wanted to add a bunch of schools to the ACC, and give them all large raises. They like the ACC because it’s cheap.

 

[BCClone]

Haven't been able to follow this thread. Why are we talking about BIG12 teams going to the PAC?

We aren’t, just him.

 

[CYCLNST8]

We aren’t, just him.

What I'm trying to suggest is a Big 12/Pac 10 merger that maximizes profits by merging the best teams as opposed to one trying to kill the other. If the Pac was able to get past the religious institution hurdle and cut their dead weight, what would that look like? 12-16 of the best teams?